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Re: The big lie
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Wed, 19 Sep 2001 18:00:14 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
From Forbes, which is much more libertarian than Fortune (which is why I
subscribe to one and read the other on airplanes where it's free to me)

http://www.forbes.com/2001/09/17/0917lie.html

Need I say I totally agree that we do not need changes in the Bill of Rights?
Airport Security improvements yes.
Blanket unauthorised wiretap powers no.


Are you saying that the do not want your government to invade the privacy of
individuals which they suspect may be terrorists in a manner which is
simpler that it is right now, but it is OK for them to improve airport >security?

Correct. I don't want civil rights lessened or destroyed across the board.

In either case, I suspect the opinion polls will dictate what happnes :\

I suspect you are reading things correctly, unfortunately.

That doesn't make what happens "right" though, as I've said before, just
because a majority votes (or voices an opinion) to do something doesn't
suddenly change what underlying rights the minority had.



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  Re: The big lie
 
(...) I find a quote of Benjamin Franklin's expresses my views on the subject. "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." It's a bit harsh, but I agree with it, and with Larry, (...) (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
  Re: The big lie
 
"Larry Pieniazek" <lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote in message news:GJx8oE.2rq@lugnet.com... (...) Rights? (...) of (...) With regards to airport security, I would have thought you would want to leave it to the airlines to improve security? (...) (...) (23 years ago, 24-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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  Re: The big lie
 
(...) Are you saying that the do not want your government to invade the privacy of individuals which they suspect may be terrorists in a manner which is simpler that it is right now, but it is OK for them to improve airport security? In either case, (...) (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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