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Oddly, I'm with both of you :-) (...) I don't think so. I think your life can be about many things, including both of those. They are in no way mutually exclusive. (...) Great! I, for one, am truely glad that you've hooked up with a system that (...) (24 years ago, 8-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Warning: exactly the kind of post that should go to .o-t.vent follows. So I've o-t.d'ed, but since this <treacley juggernaut> of a thread is still in .au, I'm not holding back. And I should say that I'm more than a bit <treacley>'d off with a (...) (24 years ago, 8-Nov-00, to lugnet.loc.au, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) OK, I'll admit it - I may have jumped the gun in my sorrow :c) I remain *cautiously* optimistic, as I have heard they (the Democrats, and probably the Greens, too) have called for a recount. I guess this could take days, weeks, even *months* (...) (24 years ago, 8-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Timmy for President!!?? With the election this close a vote for Nader is a vote for Nader. Gore is winning the popular vote by 277,000 votes. Whoever wins Florida however, wins the Electoral vote and is thus the President no matter what the popular (...) (24 years ago, 8-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I'm not going to reply to most of this, as I doubt we'd ever really reach a consensus. It really comes down to what your life is about: 1. Being a part of society 2. Or the accumulation of personal wealth. If you with the best way to succeed in life (...) (24 years ago, 8-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Thanks! I agree. It *is* very charitable. (...) So am I. And I think my contributions, allocated by me, are more effective than yours, allocated by bureaucrats. (...) I suspect a typo, I think you meant to say "just not convinced"... because (...) (24 years ago, 8-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Larry Pieniazek" <lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote in message news:G3oEv3.H9y@lugnet.com... (...) I've (...) my (...) don't (...) Hmm this sounds very charitable. Personally, I quite happy to be a member of society, and contribute to it passively (...) (24 years ago, 8-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Ah, ah, ah! Don't say it's over until the final vote is counted. 630 votes difference in the state of Florida does not mean the election is over. You forget that the most Democratic areas of the state have yet to be counted. Popular vote does count. (...) (24 years ago, 8-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Fair enough. I agree with the above. Clearly, some 8 year olds (not even mine, smarter than average that he is) don't have that sophistication. I'm sure we'd all agree with that as well. Taking that into account, and taking the relative (...) (24 years ago, 8-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, that's an even less tactful way of phrasing it than mine, but I'm afraid you're reading the statement fairly accurately. I'll rephrase: ---...--- A person who is unable to comprehend irony, and requires instances of satire to be labeled (...) (24 years ago, 8-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, thanks. By generalizing, you're shifting a beaten argument (by me as much as anyone) about a specific instance into a more socially relevant conversation. (...) On one level, I think it's important for us to understand as a society (...) (24 years ago, 8-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm not convinced that's as big a problem as you might think. Think about it, every consumer protection regulation we have is there because enough people complained that the government addressed the issue. In a Libertopia, with it's free (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) :) Well, you know, me and 65K other people too...and our bullets/black Oil&Beans (actually, right now it costs something upwards of $100K (CDN)/year for me, because of being full time student on government $) James (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Wow, you need to ask for a bigger part of the pie if it really costs that much to employ you! I'm assuming you don't make near that since if you did, I'd bet that you'd be looking to buy TLC and your collection would make Conan's look like a (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If you think they're worth doing, by all means, please go ahead. However since they involve transfers of wealth from one person to another, my position is that you ought to do them on your nickel, not mine. I am not my brother's keeper unless (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Me too. Elections are complex enough as is, no need to make it more confusing for the people with indirect voting. What you get is in fact not people's wishes. (...) Yep. I've actually spent the past few weeks learning about that. I'm pretty (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That makes sense; you're taking the long view rather than a get-it-done-now approach, and I think such a plan of attack is therefore more reasonable and likely to succeed. At the same time, you're calling for immediate addressing of the most (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(snipage) (...) True. I however feel that _as a society_ we choose to do some things, and that those things mentioned (and snipped) above are things that are worth doing. Why are they any less worth doing than say, defending the country, or your (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, James, we've already had this argument. You know darn well already that all of these things above are goods, rather than rights. And as I've said before, there is no moral right to free goods. But since you're a communist: (URL) not sure (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Fair enough. (and it's not only in congress that they are entrenched) There are two opposing forces here that shape the LP platform... One force being that there is a need to avoid Libertarian Macho Flash, which causes people who haven't (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) D'oh! It's a shame that there isn't an alternative for them, though I applaud their self-reliance. (...) Living in Pittsburgh, I don't see much advertisement locally, but "an absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence." I see countless (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Easy there, big fella. My point wasn't intended to be as sharp as you're inferring. 8^) And in any case you gain great credibility by going against Perot's model--perhaps Nader has something to learn from you in that regard. What I meant was (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Used to, at the general level, although the bar has been raised to 5% of the popular vote. Still does, for the primaries. (...) No. The LP is the Party of Principle. (...) I see it all the time. But then people who drive Volvos see more Volvos (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The LP is not going for the Ross Perot model of winning elections, in which one takes the top office but nothing else. The LP is working for change at all levels. Therefore if a Libertarian gets elected president, it stands to reason that the (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) For some of us that IS the issue which overrides everything else in this election! Maggie C. (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) All kidding aside--does the Libertarian party qualify for Federal campaign funding? If so, do they accept it? It seems they've been around for quite some time, and with a fair amount of support, but in my adult life I've never knowingly seen (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't know if it's bizarre per se, but I'm a little puzzled by the assertion (which you snipped for some reason) that: (...) That just doesn't make sense to me at face value. Whether Browne's stances are admirable or not, the simple truth is (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I agree with this one, at least as far as some drugs go. The 1/2 (bumed) war on drugs is a waste of money and effort. (...) Well...you see, I don't _want_ to need a M1A1 Abrams tank to defend my home, thank you very much. Do you really think (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Which of these patently admirable stances do you think is bizarre? Chris (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) For rhetorical purposes I will discuss this as though you were yourself a fictional character, since I cannot evaluate your real-world psychology. My impression from what you've presented is that, during your teen years, you were lashing out (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ...and your going to vote for this guy. How bizarre. Scott A (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Lucky, perhaps, but it is the essence of the argument. People's animosity toward Jar Jar (my own included) stems not from the fact that he's stupid or clumsy, but because George Lucas made a conscious and concerted effort to generate the (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Even if you do, I can deal with it. :-) (...) is (...) hold? (...) it (...) I sort of meant lucky for him. That is most especially, the him that would be if he were a sentient. (...) The archetype behind the Jar-jar character is human. When we (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ayup! (...) I just returned from the poll. He got at least one vote in district 8 of NJ. My rotten traitorous wife voted for Gore because she doesn't want Roe v. Wade overturned. ;-) (...) Maybe, maybe not. See below. (...) Unless you go far (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I suppose you could. I also suppose you'd be correct to do so. Right now, this is because the US is going to look silly if the other guy does get it. However, I think staying Democrat will be better for America – even though Gore is a little (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Absolutely not. (...) Of course it would have ruined the "joke." But it isn't fit for the consumption of eight year olds. At least not many of them. (...) I think that people who delight in the graphic representation of infanticide and (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) them (...) system (...) That _could_ be the case, but in this real case, it isn't. The differences between their policies are miniscule. (...) I think that your use of who is a fortuitous typo. I'm pretty sure you meant how. The reality is (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) A general musing: "And here", says I to myself, "a Captain named 'Ahnee' and his crew named the 'Dipwads' all on a ship named the 'Nasal Avenger', meeting a guy named 'Spiff' who found a donut shop on an asteroid that reminded me, as I believe (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) One should remember that while policies may be the same, the manner in which those policies are reached may be different. Additionally, one should consider who each would react in unpredicted situations. Scott A (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Clarity, of course, is subjective, and if the humor of a work involves subtlety, then the intent of the work will become unclear to the less perceptive. (...) Are you suggesting that irony requires an explanatory prefix to avoid offending or (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Posted in its entirety. Note that I personally do not think it's appropriate to forward this to everyone in your address book as the message advocates, I'm a bit disappointed by that. I only forwarded it to those people that I felt were likely to be (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) A trivia point: The first woman to get an Electoral College vote... was no Geraldine Ferraro! It was a Libertarian, several elections earlier. Of course, after that electoral college voter voted his conscience, the laws of his state were (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Marilyn Manson never bothered me. I've always just found him amusing. It's his fans that worry me! I think Dan should post both versions of his story and just label one for adults and one for kids. I must admit, I hated Jar-Jar from the moment I saw (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Glad to read your post, Chris. We've got some disagreements, but I was mainly concerned that my tone would come off as condescending or insulting. Many discussions have shown that people can interpret animousity where non is intended in these (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hi Todd- A vote is never wasted, IMHO. Personally, if I could, I'd vote for Nader. In MA, that is. In a swing state, no (anything to keep Bush from becoming president...). Then again; I'm not a US citizen, nor over 18. Oh well. It seems to me that (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I voted for Harry last week, along with a local school teacher running on the LP ticket for my district's congressional seat (Republican incumbant - Democrats aren't even fielding a candidate). I'm not sure I care if he can "do it" or not - I (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ani Difranco. :) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) But you only need one score card since they have all the same opinions. They both say things like "unlike my oponent, I want better schools through a system of increased accountability." It's actually a riot to listen to what phonies they both (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "And Who's going to be president, Tweedle Dumb or Tweedle Dumber..." (a free Lego piece to the first one to ID the singer :) I'm of the oppnion that you need a scorecard to tell just where the 2 of them stand as regards a issue...and it had (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) up, they're almost as hilarious as Quayle-isms. Does grammar matter? Here's Roger Ebert's view: (URL) is a very well known film critic who doesn't make a secret of his politics. As a political pundit, he's a pretty good film critic. But he's (...) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It may depend on what your opinion of the problem is. :-) If you put a disclaimer that says, "Some materials may be unsuitable for some viewers," or "Viewer discretion is advised," or "Some materials may be unsuitable for young audiences," (...) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But you must admit they had more of an emotional range than JarJar. I remember feeling sorry for the young Ewok who was wailing over his dead parent (I assume it was a parent, if not, it was a relative or friend). Where watching TPM I felt (...) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.starwars)
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(...) "Ewoks have survival skills"? You're talking about a race that has wood-and-leather hang gliders, which they use in dense forest, against high-tech weapons. Sounds fairly insane to me. Almost as insane as the fact that they won. Bleh. Steve (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.starwars)
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(...) No problem... ++Lar (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Greco's annoyance was a bit misdirected, so I apologize. I was more annoyed with Dan for instantly changing his cartoon. I didn't think you were calling for any type of censorship. (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I remember when Tipper pushed through the "Parental Advisory" labels on CD/Tape packaging. I was in Junior High or High School at the time (don't remember exactly which) and soon after she got those pushed through, there were T-shirts and hats (...) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What I would love to see for the web is a simple set of html "ratings" tags. These would be voluntarily applied by authors, and would be used by browsers to block access or give warning before proceding as the machine owner desires (and I do (...) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Larry, Thanks. I now realize my post would have been more appropriate to the other branch of this thread where the debate seems to be more on the JarJar hatred than the whole responsability issue. As far as the censorship debate goes, I personally (...) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Indeed: "The most important job is not to be governor, or first lady in my case." From: (URL) A (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) 2 posts back... so the >> are not quite right Chris said: (...) Helps? To my way of thinking this particular subthread is not about JarJar per se, or even about real characters vs. fantasy. It's about when is portrayal of the initiation of (...) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Larry, What is the point that I am missing? (not rhetorical) I guess I must be thick or I did not follow the topic close enough. :-) Jude (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Agreed!!! I always vote. Already *have* voted in this election, in fact. (...) I'd support that. If in turn (and this is a serious LP proposal by the way, YCLIU) if No Candidate got a plurality, that the office was unfunded and unstaffed that (...) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think the only really way to waste your vote is to not vote. It is a bit of a tangent, but I think we should all be forced to vote - as long as there was an option to vote for no candidate. In some parts of the UK turnout can be below 50%, (...) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) WHOOPS! c/in favor/against/ OR c/espouses/opposes/ ++Lar (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think 1% is low but not by much. The LP has said that it has had between 200 and 400 officeholders nationally. Many of them were elected in smaller elections (not the national general election) or appointed. I am guessing too. One thing that (...) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's true, except for during the civil war. It was unconstitutional, and as proof I point out that a constitutional amendment was required to get it past the supreme court which routinely struck down any income tax laws (they were steamrolled (...) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Indeed. Don't get ME started either. The Commission on Presidential Debates is a "bipartisan" not "nonpartisan" and the bar has been set so high to ensure no candidate other than a demopublican can participate. This enusures perpetuation of (...) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I have to agree-- I expected much more from Maul... as is he was simply Darth Sidious' pawn, he didn't have his own agenda. Or at least not yet. He seemed to be like an anxious kid, eager to go out and kill Jedi, without any strategy save that which (...) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.starwars)
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(...) Heh. Dan is happily married. I think the ex-wife angle comes from somewhere else... (...) But it's so much fun to bash JarJar! ;^) (...) Well.... I was a bit frustrated at the moment. Lar did a pretty decent job of analyzing it a couple posts (...) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Greetings all, It really shows what a diverse group we have when something like Dan's posted story can cause a discussion to spiral so completely out of control. I read Dan's story and found it kinda funny although, for myself, there did seem to be (...) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Too bad an Arctic parka probably won't fit on his head. (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.starwars)
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(...) Yes, he'll get 1M votes. Keep in mind that in years w/o a hi-profile 3rd party candidate, such as Nader or Perot the Libertarians always place 3rd in the national election, and in years with those types of candidates they always place 4th. I (...) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: U.S. federal income taxes not legal? (was: Re: Can Harry Browne do it?)
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"Todd Lehman" <lehman@javanet.com> wrote in message news:G3Ktyx.9ts@lugnet.com... (...) but (...) something (...) -- Tim Courtney - tim@zacktron.com (URL) - Centralized LDraw Resources (URL) - Zacktron Alliance ICQ: 23951114 - AIM: TimCourtne (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.loc.us)
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"Todd Lehman" <lehman@javanet.com> wrote in message news:G3Ksu6.76n@lugnet.com... (...) can (...) with (...) they'll (...) but I (...) like (...) people (...) I (...) such (...) them. I believe it was implimented temporarily for the Civil War by (...) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | U.S. federal income taxes not legal? (was: Re: Can Harry Browne do it?)
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(...) Ah yes, here it is...the 16th Amendment. (URL) to .off-topic.debate & .loc.us] (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.loc.us)
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(...) Yeah, he's more of the evil henchman kinda guy, but he was very cool and bad. (...) Since Episode 2 is most likely based on the Clone Wars, perhaps we shall see a clone (that fights Mace Windu... or something!!). (...) Boba Fett is really (...) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.starwars)
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(...) Yup. It was quite a national argument too. The proponents of a federal income tax eventually got it passed by assuring (though not writing it into law) the skeptics that it could never go over something like 3% of income. (...) I never thought (...) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Haha, indeed. Anyways, in my opinion, Jar Jar has become the "Kenny" of Lego comics. So far I've seen him get beaten twice. I find it quite funny. What about Ahnee's ex-wife (I think it was) getting shot? Wouldn't that be making fun of natives (...) (24 years ago, 5-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.starwars)
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(...) I've gotta look this up to be sure, because I couldn't believe my ears, but I thought that Browne said there was no federal income tax before something like 1913. If I heard that correctly and it's true, it means that there are people alive (...) (24 years ago, 5-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I haven't actually seen him speak, but he will be the third LP presidential candidate that I will have voted for. I think it all comes down to money, and the LP isn't willing to get enough of it to actually take hold. I am a "belly up to the (...) (24 years ago, 5-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) OK, you got me. Let me rephrase my words: Darth Maul is a very cool, "b**-a** m***** f*****" who's place in the Star Wars universe was to come in, be cool, do his thing, kill Qui-Gon, get Obi-Wan all mad, and die. I do hope that he returns for (...) (24 years ago, 5-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.starwars)
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Late last night on C-Span they re-ran a Harry Browne rally from November 1. I thought he did a good job of introducing the LP philosophy and I think a lot of people would hear his message loud and clear if he could get any decent normal TV spots or (...) (24 years ago, 5-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ahhh, I know what you mean! We don't know how Darth Maul thinks -- we don't hear him talking much and when we do, he doesn't say anything profound or revealing. He doesn't interact with anyone else except to fight. Whereas we know that Darth (...) (24 years ago, 5-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.starwars)
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(...) I agree that he was cool, but if you compare the number of times we saw him to the times we saw the other characters before the movie came out, you would think that he was the star. As it turns out he said something, what twice? He is (...) (24 years ago, 5-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.starwars)
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(...) I ain't Mark but I think I can put forth two reasons... both legitimate. 1. Uncritical examination of my original post (and let's face it, who has time to read every word of my pontification and ponder the meaning in depth, especially when it (...) (24 years ago, 5-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah, I know, in a later reply you'll note that I corrected him for misquoting you (or, at least, misrepresenting what you said). (...) Hmm. Well, I don't know if it's admiration-worthy... I mean, don't get me wrong, I think he's an annoying (...) (24 years ago, 5-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.starwars)
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(...) Maul is also a marketing tool, yes. But, I mean, c'mon...he's just plain cool. He embodies a different quality...he is Star Wars, where Jar Jar isn't. A true bad guy for an epic. At least, IMO. -Chris (24 years ago, 5-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.starwars)
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(...) I think that's a great way of summing it up. Although -- it might not be quite the case that JJB's _only_ purpose was a marketing symbol. The main source of comic relief in Episodes IV-VI was C-3PO, with assorted material between Han & Chewie, (...) (24 years ago, 5-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.starwars)
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(...) What about Darth Maul? Chris (24 years ago, 5-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.starwars)
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(...) My take on this (by the way, I agree w/ Todd's last statement) is that Star Wars in supposed to be an incredible epic, which it is. Now, you take something that's sole purpose is a marketing symbol for the kiddies and toss it into an epic, (...) (24 years ago, 5-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.starwars)
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(...) In fact...hmmm...I might even *like* JJB if he had been in some *other* movie and not a SW movie. That's bizarre. --Todd (24 years ago, 5-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.starwars)
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(...) But Jude, he doesn't have to. (...) See above. (...) This is like totally missing the points. (Which have gone way beyond Jar-jar, and into the meat of censorship and societal obligation.) (...) I agree with this sentiment completely. But that (...) (24 years ago, 5-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Aha! Thanks for writing that! I feel that while I hate Jar-Jar, I don't despise him. (Isn't that a strange contradiction?) Now I know how to say this: What I hate isn't Jar-Jar per se, but the fact that a character like Jar-Jar, which I find (...) (24 years ago, 5-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.starwars)
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(...) Frankly Mark, I think it is totally stupid that you have to go to such a length to explain why you hold the opinion that you do not like JarJar. I think it an even further insult that you have to qualify your explanations. If Gungans were real (...) (24 years ago, 5-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmm, there must be an established SW fan-scale or geek-code out there -- ? That could be a lot of fun -- take a questionnaire and find out where you fit on the SW purity test or whatever. Anyway, I'd put you at about 8/10, give or take a half. (...) (24 years ago, 5-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.starwars)
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(...) Oh my! Looking over that, I can see what you mean. Sorry, not at all what I meant. I'm seriously trying to disagree with you in a mature way. Chris (24 years ago, 5-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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