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(...) I'm not going to debate this, because there have been a lot. Just like the Christian has to ask "Why are some atheists, Mormons and Jews decent people?" (DUCK NOW!) the atheist wonders "Why are some Christians good people?" The reality is most (...) (25 years ago, 10-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, I guess it was a troll. But I left off the really bad names! I don't think Christianity has much power to form character traits like intellectual curiosity, productivity, attentiveness, and hipness, so more second-generation Christians (...) (25 years ago, 10-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The Good Life. Aristotle said the good life was to become happy by pursuing the best goals, that is, to excel in whatever you are capable of. To be the best example of what you are. That you are the purpose of your own life, there is no higher (...) (25 years ago, 10-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't recall such a thing in any other creed. Is this article of faith meant to quibble with or clarify Paul? Not sure myself whether Paul is as important to Mormons, as he is to say Lutherans or Baptists (who make a very big deal out of (...) (25 years ago, 10-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In the same way that calling Lego brand building blocks "legos" is trademark dilution. In the same way that calling facial tissue "Kleenex" is. Well, not precisely the same, because those usages probably aren't negative, just dilutive, but (...) (25 years ago, 10-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Moved to off-topic.debate (...) Huh? Maybe there's some facet of trademark law I'm unfamiliar with, but how is *discussing* a product, even in negative terms, a trademark dilution? Are you seriously suggesting that saying something negative (even as (...) (25 years ago, 10-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I've (...) I believe his characterization of IE would fall under (political) parody and is therefore fair use. The other possibility is that he meant it as fact, which he would be completely justified as claiming, even in court. I'm not sure (...) (25 years ago, 10-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And, I must jump in, cause, well, I do, but if I remember my History of Anthropology course (if only I could find my notes!) it was actually Herbert Spencer (a wild and wacky social darwinist) coined that term. (25 years ago, 10-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ack! >_<;; I took "The evolution of human nature" (aka intro to sociobiology) which the first third of the class focused on "real" evolution. Then in my "history of anthropology" (aka anthro theory) class, we started out with some of the (...) (25 years ago, 10-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) *whiny voice* I heard that they don't drink coke. is that true? Do they really have horns that they file off? Do they wear super underwear? (they do do that, but it's not super underwear) ^_- (Warning: this has all been in fun, I'm a wacky (...) (25 years ago, 10-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Bill Farkas wrote in message ... (...) more (...) Oooh, can't wait for Larry's response on this one... Frank (25 years ago, 10-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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James Brown wrote in message ... (...) intend (...) do (...) saved. (...) don't (...) I think his point was relating to those Christians who believe that the saving is something for the afterlife. In that case, he's mostly right. Of course he's (...) (25 years ago, 10-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Are you lobbying to have this changed to lugnet.off-topic.troll? (...) How do you know that? Are you claiming omniscience? You *believe* no one knows if they're saved with the same apparant fervor that many christians *believe* they are saved. (...) (25 years ago, 9-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think that's the underlying problem with labels, and yet they are a necessary evil. So many groups have been borne of a desire to be non-denominational and unifying; then begin to focus on what makes them different from everyone else to the (...) (25 years ago, 9-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmm. (...) Okay, I see your point. Sorry about the accusation. (...) And now you're buttering me up. I can accept that. :-, So why is it that many Christians are so unforgiving in other peoples' religions? Especially towards Christians of (...) (25 years ago, 9-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's obvious from the above statement that your just trying to stir the pot, but you DO make many good points. (...) Not true. That's your opinion, on what authority do you base it? (...) Jesus did just that, and continues to answer that very (...) (25 years ago, 9-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's funny you mention that. An article of my church's faith declares that "we belive that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression." (...) What then is the good life? Can you tell me that? Can anyone (...) (25 years ago, 9-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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It's gotten quiet here, and we're off the lugnet.homepage. I'm going to see if anything runs out of the bushes when I do this... All this splitting hairs & quoting Paul to rule on whether a sinner can be saved and get away with sinning.... I sure (...) (25 years ago, 9-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't reject a god who gives a pass to murderers, if the murderer in question makes up for the loss. And don't get me wrong -- taking a life is a huge thing to make up for IMO, something which few if any can do. But I reserve the right to (...) (25 years ago, 9-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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So, more a terminology thing than anything else. Although, I do think you need to watch some of your abbreviations, omni PMS conjures up mental images I don't want to deal with, ever! -- William A. Swanberg CPT, SC Commander, 229th Signal Company (...) (25 years ago, 9-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, the fittest *individuals* don't survive forever, obviously. What really survives, past one lifetime, are the fittest *genotypes*. -- John J. Ladasky Jr., Ph.D. Department of Structural Biology Stanford University Medical Center Stanford, (...) (25 years ago, 9-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Oh, and another thing... I'm selfish and proud of it. To not be selfish is to be life denying. (25 years ago, 9-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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If you guys are happy with that stance, that's cool by me. But you can't explain it away to my satisfaction. Your god is an unjust god by my standards, and that's all that matters to me. Hence, he, if he were to exist, he can blow off for all I (...) (25 years ago, 9-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is actually from James chapter 2. (...) A few points that might make this somewhat easier to wrap your brains around: First, the bible places all men on equal standing, all men need to be "saved". - even the proverbial "those who haven't (...) (25 years ago, 9-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <much snipping to get down to this one point> (...) But what if you only realise there is a problem on your death bed? I know what you're saying, and I struggle with this heaps. Matthew 20:1-16 shows Jesus' attitude to this. It is not by our (...) (25 years ago, 8-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'll supply the wiffle bats if you supply the padding. Cheers, - jsproat (25 years ago, 8-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You're right, we're getting off topic. Now let's see some more Mormon bashing people! Ben Roller (25 years ago, 8-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If I had known this thread would have gotten so big, I would've used a subject other than "Mormon bashing again". Maybe something more directly-advocating-...rmons-ish. :-, Cheers, - jsproat (25 years ago, 8-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) How about kibbutzim? (sp = pluralize, btw) (25 years ago, 8-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Here in Texas, we were finally able to buy hardware on Sundays starting in the mid-1980s. The only remnants of the blue laws that are left that I can think of are (1) no purchase of alcohol (in wet localities) on Sunday until noon and (2) car (...) (25 years ago, 8-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Unfortuanately Unitarian Universalism can't be pinned down. One interpretation of Universalism is that everyone gets into heaven, no matter how good or bad they are. This doesn't seem a useful interpretation to me. Many Unitarian Universalists (...) (25 years ago, 8-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I disagree with the term "Survival of the Fittest," shouldn't it be something more like "Reproduction of the Fittest(1)?" Darwin and some of his contemporaries did create the theory of evolution through natural selection, one of the first (...) (25 years ago, 8-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Reasoning is OK, nomenclature was wrong (I was rushed, and I JUST made the flight, they closed the door just after I boarded). See below... (...) Most perfect is an INCORRECT label for what I meant, an entity that is omnipotent (which carries (...) (25 years ago, 8-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I'm confused. Rereading what I said, I'm saying that god, by allowing repentance to be enough, is unjustly rewarding those who did not work hard or be virtuous by giving them a pass, (all they have to do is sincerely repent) which is unfair to those (...) (25 years ago, 8-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I've been steadily wading through this thread for several days now (you have a lot of catching up to do when you go to the field for a week), and have promised myself to stay out of the debate, and I will continue to do so (although the temptation (...) (25 years ago, 8-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This moth story is the standard subject under evolution chapter of high school biology books here. I don't think too much people remembers it though..:-) Selçuk (25 years ago, 8-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh wow. I've never seen one. Sounds like fun. (...) Hmmm. The Catholic, Jewish, and non-denominational services where I grew up kept the kids at home. Maybe that was just a regional thing; it *was* a military base. (...) There are (...) (25 years ago, 8-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, the leaders were ALL children, with only the one adult who was the organizer-person of the whole thing. They basically said that this was the day that the kids had been preparing for for a while. Maybe that's a little more common in the (...) (25 years ago, 8-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yup. More specifically Lar, christian *theology* in general, doesn't. Some sects do, but the majority (insofar as I'm aware) do not. However, this may vary in actual practice from sect to sect, region to region, even from church to church and (...) (25 years ago, 8-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Larry Pieniazek wrote in message <38C5A25C.6BA832E3@v...er.net>... (...) One objection I'd like to raise is that not all Christians have an unjust and unfair god. Of course that depends on your definition of Christian, but I think the only useful (...) (25 years ago, 8-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Goodness, no. I meant nothing of the sort. Whether the LDS is Christian is as much for me to say as whether the Shi'ites are Moslem. Which is to say not at all. What I was referring to by the generic "Christians" was the sort of Protestant, (...) (25 years ago, 8-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That was probably a normal Sunday service. The entire family is invited to the Sacrament meeting; I've noticed that many other denominations invite only people from, say, young adult ages and up to their services. (...) LOL -- What can I say? (...) (25 years ago, 8-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Jeremy, (...) Well, I do not know a lot about Mormonism (I have never studied too much into different branches of Christianity, I think there is a book of Mormons, isn't there?), so I am not a judge of whether you are a Christian or not (God is), (...) (25 years ago, 8-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I thought you asserted that you didn't believe in God, Ed. Therefore, how can He have a sense of humor. I have a sense of humor, but this really didn't "enlighten" me, nor did I think it was funny. Scott S. ___...___ Scott E. Sanburn-> (...) (25 years ago, 7-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Me, having a rightist bias? Never! ; ) Actually, I have had a lot of leftist professors say this before, so that is where it is coming from. Very enraging, to say the least. If I read wrong, my apologies. (...) Heh, if only the gun control (...) (25 years ago, 7-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But why do you care? Why do you strive to leave this world a better place? Where do we get this craving for immortality (OK, not everyone does, but we'd all like to be remembered fondly long after were gone). The sad fact is that in say 500 (...) (25 years ago, 8-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Briefly, my flight boards soon. (...) With you so far. A devil is an evil being. You can't know evil without knowing good. As I've said before, animals are amoral and know neither good nor evil. (well, except for cats. Cats are evil. :-) ) (...) (...) (25 years ago, 8-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) *sigh* No matter how much I try, there's always going to be someone who tells me I am not a Christian simply because I'm a Mormon. I know it doesn't mean a whole lot to mr. Ipavec, but it's fairly important to me. Cheers, - jsproat (25 years ago, 8-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well you wouldn't be the first, and there are times I won't deny it either ;-) Pete Callaway (25 years ago, 8-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hey! Lay of the little fellas, I think they're cute! ;-) Pete Callaway (25 years ago, 8-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Because it is the only one--the only one in its weight class, at any rate--that can be disproved acording to internal, semi-objective standards. And whose followers won't whack you with a fatwa for trying. The other religions must not be that (...) (25 years ago, 8-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't think we'll ever live down the crusades either, but whilst they represent dark periods in Christian (and human) history, they do serve as a reminder of how people can get it all wrong. I say again, if you want to know what Christianity (...) (25 years ago, 8-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) We did, but it didn't necessarily help--the Lysenko variant of Lamarckian genetics was eagerly taken up by Stalin and his totalitarian regime--"New Socialist Man" ring any bells? It was something that appealed to him because it implied that (...) (25 years ago, 7-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) white (...) Oh. Thanks, Karim. :-, That building near Matthew's office is probably a temple. (...) Yah, that's basically it. Our temples are our most holy and sacred places, so one much be deemed worthy of entering the temple before doing so. (...) (25 years ago, 7-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) There is a Temple that was recently dedicated in the Triangle Area in NC, and I visited and toured it before the dedications (after the dedication, only "recommended" members are allowed to enter, I believe... Jeremey, you can correct me if (...) (25 years ago, 7-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) sorry :) I was an evolutionary ecology major in college, this stuff was drilled into my head. my wife says I talk about in my sleep. :) (...) Finches in the Galapagos. For a good pop science book on this, read "The Beak of the Finch." -Chris (25 years ago, 7-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Religious freedom in Libertopia (Re: Does God have a monopoly on gods?
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(...) Wasn't intended that way. I think your conventional rightist bias may be coloring your read. Reminder, I was speaking hypothetically. I'd never advocate shutting down a religion because some members of it misused it to effect tyranny. That (...) (25 years ago, 7-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hardly. I was speaking hypothetically, of course. I'm perfectly fine with anyone of any creed as long as that person doesn't get in the habit of violating my rights. Most christians don't. Heck, some of my best friends are christians <GD&R>. (...) (25 years ago, 7-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) *blinks* I was almost about to post about the difference between Lamarkian and Darwinian evolution until it was cleared up by the later poster. But, for the fun of it, the example of Lamarkian evolution would be that the giraffe's neck grew (...) (25 years ago, 7-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Scott, you don't think god has a sense of humor? Look at the platypus! (25 years ago, 7-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) OK, fair enough, maybe I'll read my copy. I have made a fair start into learning the background of science fiction authors. I don't think RAH or anyone else in that tier ever competed with LRH for the distinction of starting a religion. Having (...) (25 years ago, 7-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Kevin wrote: (...) The religious point of view (Peter's) wants there to be a permanent result to a life, in order for it to have meaning now. Kevin partially rebuts this by saying that what we leave for other people is enough. Yet both of (...) (25 years ago, 7-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I bet it was really lonely in that little boat. :-) --Todd (25 years ago, 7-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, I don't think the Bible said that every animal made it OFF of the ark (alive anyway). I bet every time that Noah got really mad he just up and tossed a smelk, frabot or a unicorn off the side. Oh he was crazy alright. The guy was 600 (...) (25 years ago, 7-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) feedin' (...) ROTFL! You sometimes have to wonder, if Noah was really a man of infinite patience, or if God just let him complain as long as the job got done. :-, Cheers, - jsproat (25 years ago, 7-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I stopped participating in debates like this in 1987, back when the venue was still BBSes with regular callers. Usenet is so caustic--any random loser can walk in and spew flames without a care or second thought. Here, everybody is on notice (...) (25 years ago, 7-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well I wondered...no, too easy. Besides, that would be mean. ;) Ben Roller (25 years ago, 7-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ok, I'm a Christian, but I have to agree with Larry here. Some of us are really obnoxious! It's hard for me to walk across my campus on Friday nights because the "missionaries" from Bob Jones U(which I understand has been in the news lately (...) (25 years ago, 7-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Just to throw in my two cents here, I am not a member of the Mormon Church, but several of my best friends and the parents of my goddaughter are. I have found the general LDS community to be very friendly and welcoming to a determined (...) (25 years ago, 7-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Day 27 - Still at Sea Arrr, the rain she falls all th' night and all day long. Spent all day feedin' the cattle and scooping poop, AGAIN. Thanks a lot God! I still say we shoulda left those darn skunks to drown. Mrs. Noah looks like she's dun (...) (25 years ago, 7-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I had to visit 4 churches that weren't like mine (Protestant) for a religion class a couple of years back. By far the most interesting was the Greek Orthodox Church, but the Mormon church was the most welcoming. We (myself, a class mate and a (...) (25 years ago, 7-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As long as it's still civil, I see no problem continuing the debate. Besides, this time around there are some of us (me for example) that haven't been involved in a huge threaded debate on Lugnet yet. Lots of this has come up before (including (...) (25 years ago, 7-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't agree. *I* won't be here any more, but I will live on in the memories of people whose lives I've touched, in my daughter's genes and any descendents she may have, in what I've written (however long that may last), in what I've built (...) (25 years ago, 7-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ok everyone, raise your hand if these guys are making you feel dumb too. It amazes me that you all knew which moths were being talked about. Man, some people are just too smart. :) Ben Roller (25 years ago, 7-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, my friend,, you got the right passage but you better re-read it. My paraphrase (actually my best recollection from the New International version) is not merely God's love for humanity. But you are correct that love in it's purest form (...) (25 years ago, 7-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What is the generic definition of a devil (apart from the red tights and pitchfork)? I ask this so we can all speak about the same thing. My definition follows. I believe a devil represents evil ("evil" with a "d", for darstardly?). What then (...) (25 years ago, 7-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Wow. Why don't you tell us how you really feel? Stop pulling the punches. James (URL) (25 years ago, 7-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Larry, (...) Wow, Larry, that sounds more leftist than Libertarian. I hope there will still be room for us "obnoxious Christians" in Libertopia (Liberatopia? SP?), or will we be banned as well? Scott S. ___...___ Scott E. Sanburn-> (...) (25 years ago, 7-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (emphasis mine, Peter said "a" without the stars) (...) I LOVE hypotheticals. If we posit the existence of *A* devil, is his saying that god doesn't exist necessarily a lie? No. Something that might fit the generic definition of devil might (...) (25 years ago, 7-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, we are instructed to exercise free agency. It is one of the greatest blessings, promised to all of us in the pre-existance, and given to us when Adam and Eve ate of the forbidden fruit. (...) I see. You're setting up for a oft-debated (...) (25 years ago, 7-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Very amusing, although one doesn't need to be gay to have those thoughts about Tammy Baker ;-) Here's something that might crack you up too. I laughed myself stupid for quite some time. (URL) the author of the site where it's hosted thinks (...) (25 years ago, 7-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I tend to have an extremely objective sense of humor. --Todd (25 years ago, 7-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's great. Scott S. ___...___ Scott E. Sanburn-> ssanburn@cleanweb.net Systems Administrator-Affiliated Engineers -> (URL) Page -> (URL) Page -> (URL) (25 years ago, 7-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I thought it was the funniest thing I'd read in several weeks. --Todd (25 years ago, 7-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Wow, Ed, that was not only not funny, it was pointless. Great job. Really. Scott S. < snipped top 10 reasons etc. > ___...___ Scott E. Sanburn-> ssanburn@cleanweb.net Systems Administrator-Affiliated Engineers -> (URL) Page -> (URL) Page -> (URL) (25 years ago, 7-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) which (...) So, church members are free agents in that they're allowed (encouraged, or required) to make their own decisions about stuff? (...) That's and interesting explanation. It seems conveniently coincident that the recall of polygamy (...) (25 years ago, 7-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snipped list> (...) Well, for all intents and purposes, all of Leviticus is given equal weight. So if you are going to cite it as a source for correct behavior, you should either cite it as a single work, or disregard it, IMHO. Either (...) (25 years ago, 7-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) of (...) [megasnip] (...) Top 10 Reasons God is Not Gay: 10. A gay god would never have allowed catholisism to exist in its current 14th century state of mind. 9. A gay god would have hymns that sound more like showtunes. 8. A gay god would (...) (25 years ago, 6-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If you tell me a bit about it I'll try to source it from my side of the Pacific Pond. I'm still interested in the response to the other verses I cited, as one of them specifically mentions "homosexual offenders". (...) Most of which make (...) (25 years ago, 6-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And the fact that my tent isn't x cubits long and y cubits high, and I prefer to shake hands on an agreement rather than carve up an ox and walk through the middle of it means that most of the Levitical laws I don't practice. Jesus stated that (...) (25 years ago, 6-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: memes (Was: Re: Does God have a monopoly on gods?)
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(...) *chuckle* this would make the search more like that for El Dorado or the Flying Dutchman... *smirk* -Cheese, who is a Macintosh guru, thank you very much. Bill Gates Must Die! (25 years ago, 6-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) which (...) Los Angeles? Ahahahahaha. Right. Bruce (25 years ago, 6-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snip> Somewhere we have a pamphlet about all this but I gave it to Liz and so I don't remember where it is. I'll try and find it and type some of them in for you, but I've no intention of typing in the whole thing :-). The only one I remember (...) (25 years ago, 6-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Chris, Sorry I took so long on this; I needed to get a few facts straight before responding. (...) It was something of a response to a select few loud and closed-minded people on Slashdot (who'll probably never read this, oh well) who were bashing (...) (25 years ago, 6-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well you stated that Lucifer (aka the Devil) has no power other than to lie. Let's assume for the argument's sake that there is a devil (to stop me getting in trouble from the people who don't believe there is). The lie is in fact his most (...) (25 years ago, 6-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snipped a bunch> Shiri's description is very good, I'll elaborate on a few points. The moth in question is the Peppered Moth(_Biston betularia_). Before the industrial revolution, the predominant form seen in the woods of England was white (...) (25 years ago, 6-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm not sure of the relevance of your question. Bruce (25 years ago, 6-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Peter Callaway writes: (much snippage, excepting the passage references cited as advocating against homosexuality) (...) I can't address most of these, as my memory is horrible, and I don't have a bible handy, but I will (...) (25 years ago, 6-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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