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Re: Does God have a monopoly on gods?
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Thu, 9 Mar 2000 12:16:31 GMT
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So, more a terminology thing than anything else. Although, I do think you
need to watch some of your abbreviations, omni PMS conjures up mental images
I don't want to deal with, ever!
--
William A. Swanberg
CPT, SC
Commander, 229th Signal Company (TACSAT)
swanberg@msn.com
"Larry Pieniazek" <lar@voyager.net> wrote in message
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>
> "William A. Swanberg" wrote:
> >
> > I've been steadily wading through this thread for several days now (you • have
> > a lot of catching up to do when you go to the field for a week), and • have
> > promised myself to stay out of the debate, and I will continue to do so
> > (although the temptation is great!). However, Lar, I believe that your
> > mathematical reasoning is flawed, see comments below:
>
> Reasoning is OK, nomenclature was wrong (I was rushed, and I JUST made
> the flight, they closed the door just after I boarded). See below...
>
> > "Larry Pieniazek" <lar@voyager.net> wrote in message
> > news:38C5A25C.6BA832E3@voyager.net...
> > > Briefly, my flight boards soon.
> > (major snippage)
> >
> > > Having said that, what are the possible mathematical permutations of
> > > universes around most perfect/most evil?
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> Most perfect is an INCORRECT label for what I meant, an entity that is
> omnipotent (which carries with it omniscient) and omnibenevolent. Ditto
> for most imperfect or most evil.
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> > > We could have a universe in which there is no most perfect being and • no
> > > most evil being. Just lots of strivers on both sides of the battle • line.
> > If there are "strivers" on both sides of the battle line, then one of • them
> > on each side *must* be the most evil/good. I am speaking mathematically
> > here, of course. Using mathematics implies that you can somehow • quantify
> > the *amount* of good/evil in a being. So the amount of "morality" (for • lack
> > of a better term) in a person can be assigned a number, for purposes of
> > explanation, a number less than 0 for evil, and a number greater than 0 • for
> > good. Using the set of integers for this purpose, then that being with • the
> > lowest "morality value" would be the most evil, conversely the being • with
> > the highest morality value would be the most good. If you wish to go • into a
> > more refined valuation system, you could expand your number set to the
> > rational numbers (although there are exactly as many rational numbers as
> > integers, even though the integers are a subset of the rational numbers, • I
> > could explain by proof if needed, but infinity mathematics makes my head
> > hurt). You could even expand further to the set of irrational numbers • or
> > the set of imaginary numbers, but with the latter things could get
> > complicated :).
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> Right. Technically if you could run an eval function on everyone, even
> in a universe without a supreme "Most perfect" omni P/B/O guy, some
> lucky striver at any given moment comes out on top. and on the bottom.
>
> But see the most perfect island argument. it doesn't dilute. Being more
> good than everyone else doesn't make you god, just leader in a good race
> to be in. to be god, or at least to be the christian god, you need the
> omni stuff too. Being more evil than everyone else doesn't make you the
> devil, just leader in a not good race to be in. However I don't think
> the christian devil is omnipotent.
>
> > >
> > > We could have a universe in which there is both a most perfect and • most
> > > imperfect.
> > Actually this is the only possible situation, from a mathematical • standpoint
> > of course.
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> Technically correct, because I was using the wrong shorthand. When I
> said "most perfect" i was shorthanding for an
> omnipotent/omniscient/omnibenevolent. But that's not what I meant.
>
> Again, restating, all 4 possibilities will have "some" being who is most
> good (assuming a way to evaluate that gives a number or comparable
> metric) and most bad.
>
> I assert that because of the nature of omniX you can't have both an omni
> P/B/S and an omni P/M/S in the same universe at the same time, due to
> deadlock, they can't both get their way at the same time, hence one is
> not omnipotent... ruling the 4th possibility out.
>
> --
> Larry Pieniazek - lpieniazek@mercator.com - http://my.voyager.net/lar
> http://www.mercator.com. Mercator, the e-business transformation company
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>
> Note: this is a family forum!
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| (...) Right. But the point at the root is that even if the universe is infinite and even if we can identify who holds the current title of "most good", there is no implication that this particular entity is omni PBS... and further, you can have at (...) (25 years ago, 10-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Reasoning is OK, nomenclature was wrong (I was rushed, and I JUST made the flight, they closed the door just after I boarded). See below... (...) Most perfect is an INCORRECT label for what I meant, an entity that is omnipotent (which carries (...) (25 years ago, 8-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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