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Re: Does God have a monopoly on gods?
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Wed, 8 Mar 2000 14:56:30 GMT
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I'm confused.
Rereading what I said, I'm saying that god, by allowing repentance to
be enough, is unjustly rewarding those who did not work hard or be
virtuous by giving them a pass, (all they have to do is sincerely
repent) which is unfair to those who DID work hard and WERE virtuous.
James Brown wrote:
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> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Frank Filz writes:
> >
> > Larry Pieniazek wrote in message <38C5A25C.6BA832E3@voyager.net>...
> > > I hold that this is unjust. It is not fair to not give rotters what they
> > > deserve. Your god is setting a bad example for those of us that are
> > > strivers by letting them off. And that's one of my major beefs with
> > > christian theology, it's unjust and unfair. God doesn't like the hard
> > > workers. So in fact we'd be better off acting like he didn't exist, that
> > > is, acting like we have to make our own way in the world instead of
> > > being fished out.
> >
> > One objection I'd like to raise is that not all Christians have an unjust
> > and unfair god. Of course that depends on your definition of Christian, but
> > I think the only useful general definition of Christian is anyone who
> > follows the teachings of Jesus as their primary source of religious
> > inspiration. Most Christian Unitarian Universalists don't believe in this
> > unjust and unfair god. In fact, that's primarily what the Universalist part
> > means, though some interpretations of Universalism might offend Libertarians
> > because of the "everybody gets into heaven" aspect being unfair and unjust
> > in the opposite direction.
But when I read this I'm not sure WHAT Frank is saying. That is, which
way UU goes?
> Yup. More specifically Lar, christian *theology* in general, doesn't. Some
> sects do, but the majority (insofar as I'm aware) do not. However, this may
> vary in actual practice from sect to sect, region to region, even from church
> to church and christian to christian. IMO, christianity is far too varied to
> broad-brush much of anything beyond the definition - which is to say, they all
> purport to follow Christ.
Yes, true. But it cuts both ways. Just as it's unfair to rag on
christianity with a broad brush, so is it unfair to defend it with that
same broad brush.
I will hasten to point out that a lot of sects do hold that repentance
is not enough... you don't get to repent on your deathbed, you need to
take responsibility as soon as you realise there's a problem, and start
working in THIS world to redress your sins, or you're still a sinner.
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| (...) Unfortuanately Unitarian Universalism can't be pinned down. One interpretation of Universalism is that everyone gets into heaven, no matter how good or bad they are. This doesn't seem a useful interpretation to me. Many Unitarian Universalists (...) (25 years ago, 8-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) <much snipping to get down to this one point> (...) But what if you only realise there is a problem on your death bed? I know what you're saying, and I struggle with this heaps. Matthew 20:1-16 shows Jesus' attitude to this. It is not by our (...) (25 years ago, 8-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Yup. More specifically Lar, christian *theology* in general, doesn't. Some sects do, but the majority (insofar as I'm aware) do not. However, this may vary in actual practice from sect to sect, region to region, even from church to church and (...) (25 years ago, 8-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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