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(...) This is a joke coming from you, in the last weeks you have shown me that you don't understand (amongst other this): Freedom Liberty Freedom of Speech Freedom & liberty From (URL) > As for "first principles", I have become convinced that you (...) (23 years ago, 5-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Why not? (...) The fact that the evidence which is been presented is all circumstantial, very simplistic in nature and collected by agencies who have failed in the past. When I read the evidence, I have to ask myself why the USA was not on a (...) (23 years ago, 5-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hello Dave, hello everybody, I have followed the discussion about responsibility for Iraqi people a while, and what it boils down to is: Different people have different definitions of responsibility. First, there is the humanistic definition: People (...) (23 years ago, 5-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ??? The FAA has fined airlines many times for rebadging used parts (or dangerous/damaged parts) as certified for re-use. Seems damned obvious to me that the private corps are trying to cut widget maintenance costs IN SPITE OF government agency (...) (23 years ago, 5-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So to clarify, are you saying that FB jr should pay for FB sr's mistake? In that case, shouldn't you extend your definition to be something like "society is set up to allow people (and their families) to reap ..."? ROSCO (23 years ago, 5-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) afraid. No need for fear 8?) The original comment was directed at Mr Blairs assertion that we should "Be in no doubt Bin Laden and his people organised this atrocity,", and I'm afraid (!) I can't just dismiss my doubts because he asks me to. (...) (23 years ago, 5-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Acha! That's the crucial bit. "More FBS's fault than the government's". I.E. not to say that the government isn't at fault-- that would be (I think it is)misleading. But more to say that it is FBS's actions which, "should" have changed-- or (...) (23 years ago, 4-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Can you elaborate on what you mean by "fault !=bad" then? Maybe there's some fundamental misunderstanding here... However: I'll reiterate, FB Jr.s pain is FB Srs fault more than anyone else's. Reread the cite I gave... you're going down the (...) (23 years ago, 4-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) An "out"? I never said he had an "out". An "out" implies removal of responsibility perhaps, but not of fault. Perhaps a re-reading of my two posts is in order. I feel a little like I'm entering the "Scott-and-Larry show" on this one... DaveE (23 years ago, 4-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Nope. That cite in fact does get to the root of the assertion you make. Saying that FB Sr. has an out because he had a bad childhood is egregious bogosity. (23 years ago, 4-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) that fault != bad. Saying that the US isn't at fault is erroneous. Saying that you stand behind our actions insofar as you think things would have been *WORSE* had we acted differently or not at all is what I expect you to mean. Per your (...) (23 years ago, 4-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Tsk tsk yourself. I'm comfortable I've got the causes pegged correctly. (URL) (23 years ago, 4-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Thanks for the snide comment but which of those three choices were you going with? Calling him a failed politician isn't an answer either. Pick one of the above or show that I omitted one possibility and let me know what it is? (...) This was (...) (23 years ago, 4-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Such sweeping assumptions on causality. Tsk tsk. By pulling back the causal loop one step further to point the finger at FB Sr. instead of the government that imprisoned him is no better than to step back one step further and point the finger (...) (23 years ago, 4-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Me too. This is a very valid concern, and it's true for more than just this particular instance. So you should support mechanisms that are likely to reduce the probability of corners being cut and oppose mechanisms that are likely to increase (...) (23 years ago, 4-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) A great explanation of this was given by Dave! (...) The original cite of "debunk this" deconstructs the UN statistics. Statistics have a way of getting cited and re-cited, and those cites get recited by those that want the statistics to be (...) (23 years ago, 4-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So you are comfortable with fixing the past mistakes we made in supporting the thugs in Iraq and then in leaving the job undone the first time we had a chance to clean up the mess, then? The implication of that, of course, is that you support (...) (23 years ago, 4-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snip> Excellent list. It is a real tragedy that this country is currently run by a thuggish gang (which we had too large a hand in putting in place for my taste, and which we could have removed in 1991 were it not for those advocating that we (...) (23 years ago, 4-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Incorrect. Suffering of children is never "justified". My argument merely demonstrates that their suffering is not the *fault* of the US, just as the suffering of FB Jr (while not "justified") in not having his wants satisfied is not the (...) (23 years ago, 4-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Larry Pieniazek" <lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote in message news:GKou8D.K9v@lugnet.com... (...) I don't think your argument stands one bit. You were trying to use this as justification as to why Iraqi children should suffer, because of the crimes (...) (23 years ago, 4-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I have heard this as well. Problem is hindsight is 20/20. Who knew in 1996 that bin Laden would have become the bane of our existance as he is today? Who is to say that taking him out in 1996 would have prevented anything? Its nice to think (...) (23 years ago, 4-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not necessarily "would have" in all cases, and most assuredly not "should have". It is *not* the duty of the state to ensure that everyone is cared for. That your state has chosen to do that (the will of the majority imposed on all funds it) (...) (23 years ago, 4-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) There is a HUGE difference between "no evidence" ("any evidence") and "no conclusive evidence". That was a very serious omission on your part, I'm afraid. We convict people of crimes based on strong circumstantial evidence all the time... not (...) (23 years ago, 4-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Neat. I wonder what play it was to use They Might Be Giants songs... Istanbul was Constantinople Now it's Istanbul not Constantinople So if you've a date in Constantinople She'll be waiting in Istanbul. (I'll confess just about my favorite (...) (23 years ago, 4-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So take me back to Constantinople No you can't go back to Constantinople Been a long time gone, Constantinople Why did Constantinople get the works? That's nobody's business but the Turks. I seem to recall my mother singing that silly song in (...) (23 years ago, 4-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As most other people are saying, its your world, your story. Do what you want with it. Why does the "New Byzantine Army" *have* to have anything to do with the original empire? They could just be trying to make a connection to an ancient and (...) (23 years ago, 4-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Scratch that "recommendation." That's not what I meant to put across--rather that if anything *had* to be changed, I'd change something else before the name. I really do like the name. (Thus the :D...) But again, it's your universe, and so (...) (23 years ago, 4-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's an interesting point. An alternate universe where either a) the Byzantines held out or b) the Byzantine leadership took the reins of Islam--like Christian emperors of Rome--and married Islam to the Greco-Roman tradition? Then you might (...) (23 years ago, 4-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually, I really liked the *name*. I didn't see your explanation for the formulation of the subdivision itself. My suggestion, if it's even possible, would be to reformulate the backstory of its composition and make it, say, an agglomeration (...) (23 years ago, 4-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not so much the Turks but the Ottomans under Mehmet II (the Conqueror). Theirs was the real administrative revolution that made the final conquest of Byzantium by the Turks possible. IMHO, anyways, given that the Anatolian hinterland had been (...) (23 years ago, 4-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Man Mladen, give the guy a break. Sure, the geography is off, his story will have nothing to do with the Byzantine Empire, or the radicals which want to recreate it, or its old enemyis which still exist (ex: Bulgaria). But guess what, it (...) (23 years ago, 4-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Don't change a story because people have negative feelings about it. Post disclaimers if you wish, but unless the story itself is somehow inciting people, don't change it. Even if people criticise the story itself, to do so violates your own (...) (23 years ago, 4-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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snip (...) Ok, did anyone else find it "out of place?" cuz then I think I will change it, if more people have negative feelings about it then I think it would be appropriate to change it. -Geordan- (...) (23 years ago, 4-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No prob. ;-) (...) Islamic (...) Army" (...) that I (...) sounded (...) logical (...) middle (...) make (...) No, of course not! I just wanted to hear your "explanation" or reasoning. The "New Byzantine Army" still, IMHO, is a *BIG* misnomer. (...) (23 years ago, 4-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hi Mladen, thanks for voicing your opinion, (...) Yes I learned all about that last year... (...) It's my own made up story, this story isn't meant to be based on any thing that I think even *might* happen, The reason for the name was simply (...) (23 years ago, 4-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Turkey (an Islamic country). Whoops, I made an error. Istanbul is not the currect captial of Turkey; Ankara is. Sorry. Mladen Pejic, over and out! (URL) (23 years ago, 4-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Okay... Lame history lesson ON: The Byzantine empire was an Eastern Roman/Greek empire. The capital was Constantinople, which is now modern-day Istanbul, capital of Turkey (an Islamic country). Constantinople fell to the Turks in 1453. The Byzantine (...) (23 years ago, 4-Oct-01, to lugnet.build.mecha, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I guess I should've put "conclusive" in there somewhere. A couple of excerpts from (URL) (free reg req) --- Secretary of State Colin L. Powell, in an interview today with The New York Times, said administrationofficials had been briefing (...) (23 years ago, 3-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Funny, this diplomacy thing in action... :-P Anyway, it is quite possible. One of the things that is illustrative is the willingness to let others do the dirty work: when they say they had been expecting the Saudis to behead ObL... (but then (...) (23 years ago, 3-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.loc.pt)
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(...) Also: look at Jacob and Esau (Genesis chapter 25-28 or so). This is where the turmoil began, as Jacob 1) traded Esau a bowl of stew for Esau's birthright and 2) stole Esau's blessing from his father Isaac. In those times this was humongous, as (...) (23 years ago, 3-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) idea of veracity (23 years ago, 3-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) to (...) things right rather than dragging our feet. We should have supplied the lost meds at the cost that that factory would have while we rebuilt the factory. And we should have paid for the medical expenses and of everyone who has a valid (...) (23 years ago, 3-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Still pondering--Dan's statistics threw me for a loop, and I was ruminating with Chris on a connected matter. Dave! (23 years ago, 3-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I know little about courts in the USA, but in the UK George Robertson's (arguably a failed politician) say so is not good enough for a conviction. Would that wash in the USA? NB : I want justice not revenge. (...) OK. So we have a dispute (...) (23 years ago, 3-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, that's good enough for me... lets bomb them! (not). What about the "evidence" NATO had when it bombed the Chinese embassy? Was it not duff? What about the "evidence" the USA had when it bombed Sudan? Was it not duff? See: (URL) A (23 years ago, 3-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I expect they think the Taliban will reject it. That is why this whole thing needs to move away from TV studios and go to the UN. Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 3-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Indeed, I can remember the problems the UK had extraditing terrorists from the USA... Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 3-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But a good deal of others are. Over the last few weeks there has been a lot of talk about how weak air security within the US compared the the rest of the "west". (...) Like I said, I just worry about corners being cut. Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 3-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Come on Larry! Can you clear this one up? Scott A (23 years ago, 3-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Frank, Here is an easy one to fix. Try to read the whole text, look at the claimed impact that "mess" has had on the whole country: (URL) A (...) (23 years ago, 3-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 3-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Come on Larry, I really am interested in what you think freedom & liberty means, both within the context of the text I quoted and your fondness for the thoughts of George Roberson. Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 3-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Dave, Have you thought this over yet? Scott A (23 years ago, 3-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And I wonder if Charlton Heston owns one yet? (the preceding is meant as a purely good-natured jab, rather that a veiled gun control diatribe!) Dave! (23 years ago, 3-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Point? (...) What is the point of this post? Do you agree with Tony? Do you think he is wrong? Scott A (23 years ago, 3-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I addressed that in another post (it is deep in the "War" war). Lord Robertson is either fooled by faked evidence, in on the gag, or the evidence does actualy exist. (23 years ago, 3-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Larry Pieniazek" <lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote in message news:GKLyuC.EK9@lugnet.com... (...) What's new? They have been saying this everyday. And yet everyday is a 'toughest warning yet' Now they seem to be saying everyday they have conclusive (...) (23 years ago, 3-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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...anything for some cheap advertising. (URL) (23 years ago, 3-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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... to kill each other. (URL) (23 years ago, 3-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Also: "Science can't make that choice for us, only the moral power of a world acting as a community can." But then from the same article: "This is a battle with only one outcome: our victory, not theirs," A rather naive view of battle. and: (...) (23 years ago, 3-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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From: (URL) Blair: "if they could have murdered not 7,000 but 70,000 does anyone doubt they would have done so and rejoiced?" From: (URL) one of the toughest warnings yet to the Taliban from a Western leader, Blair said there could be no compromise (...) (23 years ago, 3-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) of allowing them to give us a good beating (...) us at cricket and they will forget we are (...) P'haps 'cos it's too hard to play cricket in a kilt... ROSCO FUT: .o-t.fun (23 years ago, 2-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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For sake of clarity in this discussion, I think that Saddam Hussein is a sick and twisted individual who has perpetrated much evil in this world and I would walk with a lighter step if I found out that he were killed. That said, I can go on and say (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, my point has always been that even if no one is "free" of blame (or fault or responsibility, to use the language of that prior debate), someone is almost invariably demonstrably and culpably more responsible for the event. If, (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Because it was expensive. Everything has a price and sometimes we're not willing to pay it. (...) I agree with the final comment. Why would a government agency provide more sure widget maintenance than would a private corporation. (...) I'm (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, I wouldn't call them great lengths... (...) ...but I do still think that blame is virtually always shared by manny. (...) I'm not sure it's possible unless I'm just to drop it. It seems like the meat of the point. (...) But your (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Who are you referring to here? bin Laden as has been suggested here by some before? If bin Laden... From AP ((URL) NATO (news - web sites) headquarters in Brussels, Belgium, the alliance's secretary general, Lord Robertson, said the United (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Scotland's forte is Snooker(1) and Darts (pub games)(2). Scott A (1. S. Hendry used to play in my home town – he lived about 5 miles away) (2. I went to the same school Jockie Wilson's kids!) Overseas readers : If you have never heard of these (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Scott A" <eh105jb@mx1.pair.com> wrote in message news:GKL6Lv.H9n@lugnet.com... (...) taken (...) I doubt it is very different. Extremists in some countries hate the UK. Extremists in some countries hate the USA. Majority of people in the same (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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More information for everyone and should be of particular interest to Christians and Jews: + The Biblical Garden of Eden was located in Iraq, where the first man and woman were created and where God's first covenant with humanity was made. + God's (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Just a few positive facts to ponder: + Human civilization began over 5,000 years ago in what is now Southern Iraq. + Iraq, in ancient times known as Mesopotamia, is located between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers - the cradle of human civilization. (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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These are some cold statistics regarding the sanctions against Iraq, which do have a profound impact on the Iraqi people regardless of what anyone says or thinks who is to blame. The sanctions only further strengthen, not weaken, Saddam Hussein's (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Heck no - I'm talking about the current messes. Why build bases in places like Saudi-Arabia? Because of their love for democracy. Why support Israel? Why continue the current mess in Iraq. Why seek the extradition of an individuals without (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is a *very* interesting point. The UK, France & Holland have very suspect colonial pasts. Why is it that the people we oppressed don't hate us like so much of the world appears to hate the USA? Is the collective memory short or does the (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Dave I have provided support for my argument. I have never said that I think 500,000 have died due to sanctions. Never. I disagree with Larry when he says none have died. I think a great deal have, but I have no idea how many. That is my argument. I (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) His answer was not a valid answer. Therefore it is not an answer... and that's the best I can do to get out of that one! :) (...) Independent of me! Seriously, I tend to get news which does not follow political dogma. The BBC is independent as (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Don't worry. I'm very happy to be part of the UK *and* Europe. Scotland has 10% of the UK population, but 90% of the culture (and 95% of the tooth decay and heart disease!) :0 Scott A (23 years ago, 2-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) hideous, (...) I was talking more about how the air industry has weakened security proposals in the past - not their failure to implement existing regulations. (...) it's (...) it. (...) So (...) work, (...) My worry is that if the market is (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As I recall, you're willing to go to great lengths to assign a measure of blame to those who do not cause the events that befall them: (URL) and elsewhere so I suppose you're willing to extend the concept of blame beyond what I would consider (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Lawrence Wilkes" <lawrence@thewilkesf...rve.co.uk> wrote in message news:GKL3y3.Ay9@lugnet.com... (...) taken (...) And for Scott's benefit, I should have included the independance of Scotland of course Mel Gibson is not going to let us forget (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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It sounds like we are functioning under the assumption that blame can only be assigned to one entity. I don't think that's so. And I think that we share the blame with Hussein. But how much? (...) It sounds like you are asserting that if Hussein (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Frank Filz" <ffilz@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:3BB9D390.345B@m...ing.com... (...) Perhaps not. But this doesn't stop folk in Ireland, and the world over, believing that the British should return land that was taken a long time ago. Nor (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) imposed. (...) I agree. And _that_ is what you should complain about. You claimed that he didn't answer. He did answer. If you think his answer is made up, or simply opinion, or based on incorrect facts, or based on an incomplete understanding (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It isn't necessary to have specific and detailed knowledge of international policy, nor of the workings of foreign governments and the dynamics of sanctions. All that is necessary is a critical examination (which Larry has given) of the (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Because one can't afford to fix every mistake one has ever made. Do you think the UK should fix all of the mistakes it made with it's colonialism? Who is going to fix the mistakes the Romans made with their colonialism (after all, some of our (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That is 100% opinion on his part. I offer facts/independent 3rd party opinion. Larry offers his opinion. I see a difference between the two. If it turns out that Larry has expert experience of this field, he should be able to substantiate his (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I take your point. I think that the fact that they are "ineffective" is fundamental to understanding the situation - not an incidental fact. I should spend more time on my messages. (...) Why not fix the mistakes 1st, before starting a new (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Scott, what do you want? You posed a quote from Albright and asked if Larry agreed with her. He answered with, as I see it, a three paragraph answer. You claimed (foolishly or disingenously?) that he didn't answer. So he reasonably assumed (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Scott, do you mean when he says "they are an ineffective remedy?" Is that the part that makes you think they are a good and proven weapon? I sometimes wonder if we're speaking the same language. I don't agree with Larry on lots of things, but (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Larry you pre-suppose the question I asked required yes/no answer. I do not concede it did. I don't like yes/no questions as the respondent does not have to justify their answer. I suspect you like them for that very reason. (...) That is perhaps (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) they (...) (4721, (...) ones). (...) Hot (...) innate. (...) The time has come, huh? House of the Dead 2? Death Crimson OX? Gee Richard, how do I know this isn't part of your plot to recruit more beings to the Dark Side? Maggie (23 years ago, 2-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) If there is a causal relationship that is strong enough to be worried about, then surely it is something that an attempt at correlation would find. Since such correlation hasn't been shown, I think that we can temporarily behave like there is (...) (23 years ago, 1-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Scott, you haven't shown any such thing. You have shown that _you_ _think_ they can't be trusted. Based on the fact that some people in the past have made mistakes. Since I can demonstrate government agencies that make hideous, disasterous, (...) (23 years ago, 1-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I answered it. Not my fault if you weren't paying attention. Let's try an example. Suppose Dave! asks you, Scott Arthur, the following question: "Have you always been the complete and utterly clueless twit you are today?" and demands a "Yes" (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well can you justify your comments after reading the text I quote? Scott A (23 years ago, 2-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is cazy logic. You talk like sanctions are good & proven weapon which always work. They are not. (...) I agree. (...) You mean they did not agree with your "grasp right and wrong". (...) Can you prove she was "booby trapped and falsely (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Larry Pieniazek" <lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote in message news:GKKrsr.651@lugnet.com... (...) Except no one is talking about x-box'es and no one expects the state to provide x-boxes on welfare. But had Fred Bloggs Jr been hungry because of the (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snip first two parts of rebuttal> (...) No, it is in fact quite important, else you leave things hanging and you leave things open to the chattering classes claiming that 911 was our fault, for example. Let's try an analogy. Suppose Fred (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Maggie -- these kids need light guns. The time has come. I recommend a Sega Dreamcast system, and these three titles: House of the Dead 2, Confidential Mission, and Death Crimson OX. For what it's worth, all three games feature female and male (...) (23 years ago, 2-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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