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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> Incorrect. Suffering of children is never "justified". My argument merely
> demonstrates that their suffering is not the *fault* of the US, just as the
> suffering of FB Jr (while not "justified") in not having his wants satisfied
> is not the *fault* of the incarcerating authority. Rather it is the *fault*
> of his father. And the suffering of the Iraqi children (and the destruction
> of the country) is the *fault* of Hussein more than it is the sanctions,
> which are easily lifted if Hussein changes his ways or abdicates. There was
> an excellent analysis of this posted by Dave!
Such sweeping assumptions on causality. Tsk tsk. By pulling back the causal
loop one step further to point the finger at FB Sr. instead of the
government that imprisoned him is no better than to step back one step
further and point the finger at, say, mass media for teaching FB Sr. that
murder was acceptable, or some other cause-- his parents, or the person he
murdered being such a jerk to FB Sr., etc, etc.
Let's say instead that the state did something *else* other than imprison FB
Sr. Let's say they gave him a good talking to and sent him back. Now FB Jr.
has his little Xbox. Why? Because FB Sr. did or didn't murder someone? No,
but based on what the state's reaction was. But of course if FBS didn't
murder at ALL, then sure, the state's reaction wouldn't come into the
picture at all, right? So FBS's actions are also consequential, aren't they?
Basically, I don't think you can make such distinctive interpretations as
"the US is not at fault". Of *COURSE* it's at fault. But not 100% by any
means. I would instead have you say that the US is *less* at fault than
Hussein, or however you spell his name. Passing off blame as though the US
had no part in it is horribly misleading, IMHO.
DaveE
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