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(...) That sounds like quite a convincing case, perhaps they should have arrested him and put him on trial rather than murder women kids to get him? (...) What "risks" do Israeli F16 pilots face as they drop bombs on residential areas? Equipment (...) (23 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) A good starting point would be to review the accounts of Israeli armed forces personal and government reports which come to light as the Israeli 30-year discloser law brings reveals them. Analysis of these is very slowly revealing the truth. (...) (23 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I would have said "experience" rather than "bias"... After they dropped a bomb on a residential area on the last month, Ariel Sharon congratulated his forces on the strike and he described it as "a great success". That says it all. Scott A (23 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh, come come now. If we're going to go with sound bites, let's at least use an accurate one, eh?... here's one miles and miles closer to the truth: "basically, the government of California tried to repeal the law of supply and demand, with (...) (23 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I would agree that there probably was "nautiness" on the part of the (some) Israelis. I have no doubt that there was "nautiness" on the part of the (some) Palestinians. I certainly agree that the (many) Palestinians are inclined to believe (...) (23 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) they want & sues for $xxxM to drive Dr Grigg out of business. The problem is not (necessarily) with the doctors! And trying to get insurance against this is what is driving medical costs up. ROSCO (23 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Maybe because the international court is something no sane nation should support "as is." The lack of rights to a fair jury trial, language translator, and legal counsel are the 3 biggest reasons to NOT support the international court. It (...) (23 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) anything (...) (the (...) with (...) wrong. (...) Enron did that after the government imposed price caps. When demand exceeds supply and the price is fixed eliminating the ability to reduce demand by raising prices, guess what happens. That (...) (23 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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The real worry at the moment is that no-brain greedy Texan clown that happens to run the show in Washington. For some strange reason american presidents feel they're president of the world. If George Dubya decides Ariel Sharon is the goody and (...) (23 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) There were a variety of contributing factors, but basically Enron engaged in good-old-fashioned price manipulation. Bruce (23 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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[snip] (...) it, (...) The reason no one (i.e. current political leaders everywhere) is doing anything is really quite simple. To do so would require them to admit that what they have been doing (or not doing) up till now was wrong. I do not know (...) (23 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hi all, This is almost two weeks old at this point, but I just got around to it and thought it was worth pointing out. I strongly feel that this is how our first-level medical support ought to work. (URL) (23 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Welcome back! (...) I fully expect that there was no massacre in Jenin, but how much do we individuals really know? And how much does the average Palestinian know? It seems possible (though unlikely) there there was some naughtyness going on (...) (23 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I often wonder what Palestinians must think of the UN when resolution after resolution is passed condemning Israel's actions and nothing is done. (...) That is the extremist view. Extremists exist on both sides. There are many in Israel who (...) (23 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Well, I've stayed out of here for a while, but something I just read has compelled me to speak out. This statement from CNN ( (URL) ): (...) If Israeli citizens are killed because the Palestinians don't like the results of a UN investigation, then I (...) (23 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Selective logging is the way of the future (well it was the way of the past as well). Many logging companies are using heavy -lift helicopters to bring trees out of the forest rather than dragging them out on skid trails. I've seen video of (...) (23 years ago, 4-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think the point is that they're not trying to clear the whole forest; they're just trying to remove certain trees. With environmental legislation affecting how corporations use natural resources, minimal disturbance might be an attractive (...) (23 years ago, 4-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) OMGoodness--I agree with Scott A! Yeah, instead of identifying the problematic issues that cause anti-US sentiment, let's get a good PR campaign to 'spin' it. I think that some of the anti-US sentiment is *un*justified, but there are some (...) (23 years ago, 1-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmm. This reminds me of when the Conservatives lost power in '97. Rather than recognise their problems, they simply claimed that voters misunderstood their agenda and tried to make the result go away. That very attitude was part of their (...) (23 years ago, 1-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmm. This reminds me of when the Conservatives lost power in '97. Rather than recognise their problems, they simply claimed that voters misunderstood their agenda and tried to make the result go away. That very attitude was part of their (...) (23 years ago, 1-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ... and Sweden is just between. I'm sorry for bringing this old thread back to life, but I'd just like to point out that following the UN nomination of Norway's place on the top of the "quality of life" index, the Independet reporter Paul (...) (23 years ago, 1-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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No thanks, I'm looking at Florida, where I can buy a current house, approx 1 acre lot, 2500-3000+ sq ft, 4 BR, and anywhere from 2-4 car garage (some detached, some not) for $175-250K. And no state income tax ;-) (...) -- | Tom Stangl, Sun ONE (...) (23 years ago, 1-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) insane. (...) $400K, and (...) Move to Saline MI For illustrative purposes, only, not for sale 1650 SqFt 4 BR 2 Bath Full LEGO storage area (basement) It's a ranch 2-1/2 Car garage and plenty of street parking (no meters) Best public schools (...) (23 years ago, 31-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Fredrik Glöckner" <fredrigl@math.uio.no> wrote in message news:qrdptx4e5t8.fsf....uio.no... (...) Well she nearly has as many pairs of shoes :-) Just how many do women need?!!?? She did try it once before. I was on a project in Dallas for 4 (...) (23 years ago, 31-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Unless she has the budget of Imelda Marcos, I don't think it will make much of a difference! ;-) Fredrik (23 years ago, 31-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) interesting contrast in the BBC version (URL) the BBC report voices some valid reasons why their is anti-US feeling around the world, even in Europe and the UK, the CNN version seems to report that it is the rest of the world who simply (...) (23 years ago, 30-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I would have to agree. I had never seen anything posted about the mouse before, and I thought it was pretty cool. I would rather have something posted 40 times and me see it than have it posted once and me not see it at all. Now I do agree (...) (23 years ago, 26-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Oh come now. Not everyone reads every group. Don't stifle the flow of information. I, for one, am interested in all cool Lego related things, and I don't care how many times people tell me. (...) (23 years ago, 26-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's pretty sketchy. My question was essentially rhetorical. I didn't expect to get any kind of reply at all -- the fact that I got replies from some of the usual persons makes those replying apologists (the negative connotation this word (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmm. I didn't intend it to be a statement of your character - I've seen enough of your posts to know you're intelligent enough to see it for exactly what it was - "a famous trick question". I was highlighting, admittedly in an oblique way, (...) (23 years ago, 24-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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The only GOOD mustards are BROWN, OK? ;-) (...) -- | Tom Stangl, Sun ONE Internet Technical Support, Sun Microsystems | iPlanet Support - (URL) Please do not associate my personal views with my employer (23 years ago, 22-Jul-02, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) OMGoodness-- You wold get along famously with my girlfriend. She calls me up the other night and starts talking about cob homes and alternative housing. Wow, twice in as few weeks. Dave K. (23 years ago, 22-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is a really good book. It has funny stuff as well as lots of really good tips on building your composting toilet and how to manage the compost heap and avoid unpleasant odors. The truth is that we blow huge amounts of energy to purify (...) (23 years ago, 22-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Since 70% of the world's fresh water is locked up as ice in Antarctica, I presume the 40% is refering to liquid water. Just break me off a chunk the size of Connecticut and let's make a really big Margarita... Bruce ("Let's blow this 'berg," (...) (23 years ago, 20-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I've been inclining towards some sort of 'Gaia' system, wherein the earth is the mother of all things living. I mean, in our daily lives, microbes on mars or concepts of aliens on another planet are fun do discuss and theorize, but when I (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Norse God of Thunder = Thor dogpoop = Cheech and Chong Black Madonna = Paganism is alive and well in the Roman Catholic Church. Green Fairies = Absinthe Aristotle = High Priest of rational inquiry FWIW, and although I realize no one cares and it is (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah, I don't have ready access to any of my old cultural or physical anthropology standbys so all I can do is assert some stuff from memory. The linked theories here are those concerning "serial monogamy", "sperm wars", and "love as chemical (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) My favorite Fleetwood Mac era was when Bob Welch was with them. Must have been that phase of my childhood I spent in a bit of a fog. :-) I never cared too much for Bob Welch solo or FM before or after that. But then my favorite single FM song (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) A! Elbereth Gilthoniel! silivren penna miriel o menel aglar elenath, Gilthoniel, A! Elbereth! We still remember, we who dwell In this far land beneath the trees The starlight on the Western Seas. (23 years ago, 19-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Then you'd get along famously with my friend Andrew, who appreciates Fleetwood Mac more than any other band. He always gets bummed 'cause FM get these concert tours started but before they reach any venue close to here, they split up (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) [snip] (...) hehe! And I like how they manage to sneak in a bit of Churchill's speech too 8?) But I gotta say, I rank Fleetwood Mac (various incarnations) above Supertramp - there's just more of their songs that I like! (And I got to see MF + (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I was 9 when I bought 'Crime of the Century' -- LP!! (Still have it--I actually have 2 milk crates full of records and don't own a record player) I missed the 'Famous Last Words...' concert tour by 5 minutes--I was off timing and scorekeeping (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's only Logical what Song my favorite would have to be.... Maggie C. (23 years ago, 18-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I kinda like "Fool's overture" and "Babaji" (can you guess my fave album?) ROSCO (23 years ago, 18-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Nope, can't be--the guy lived. Most likely, he's still got a chance at propogation. Steve (23 years ago, 18-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Home again, home again, Jiggedty jig. Bruce Still round the corner there may wait, A new road or a seret gate; And though I oft have passed them by, A day will come at last when I Shall take the hidden paths that run West of the Moon, East of (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Start passing out the cigars. I may not know all the principles that Aristotle laid out, but if it's based on the concept that" Quoteth Hop-Frog " (...) " summed up into " (...) " I'm on the same page. Whether we disagree that I have always (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I am not sure how to take this statement. Are you accepting Aristotlean methods as the chief utility of scientific thought and all rational inquiry, or are you somehow thinking that you go from "I don't know" to asserting the existence of your (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "Take the long way home..." (my favourite song from my favourite group...) (...) Then consider it grasped, my friend. I made a statement that equated science as a god, and for that, I apologize. If I say that science is not a god, can we agree (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I'm not sure of the point of the selective recap, but I'll let the others answer for themselves. (...) "Once there was a way, to get back home...." You are the one equating science and god. Yes, I know, you are staring at your screen and saying, "I (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys writes: <snip> (...) <snip> (...) Oops, talk about getting distracted at work--my God exists *for me*, whether you believe it or not--was a stupid omission, not a malicious one. Dave K. (23 years ago, 18-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes: <snip> (...) <snip> People 'make gods' to explain things. I think that's a pretty much historically accurate statement. Not *all* people 'make up' gods--some folks don't have any gods, and (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(This is a very interesting thread to follow, imo :) something isn't right here: (...) no, C1 will only follow if P1 said: P1: Science can explain only the physical universe. Which is not the claim that was made, I believe. I'm not sure what would (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This was kind of a sub-point that you took the wrong way. Instead of discussing the stuff that stems from that, I'd like to restate slightly. It seems when you claim that to some that science is a god _because_ those people assert that science (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti writes: <snip> (...) That about sums it up for me, as well. Nicely said. Dave K. (23 years ago, 18-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And I mention to you, Dave! right now, that questioning 'the reasoning for the assertion' instead of the 'reasons' for it, makes my point *even* more clear-- If I were to ask: Is black, black? I have my reasons for saying that this should be (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Faulty thinking and faulty assumptions again. Your having faith is an observable phenomenon that can be studied. Science would not deny that existence of your *having* faith -- it might study the chemical or physical reasons that you maintain (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) gonna spend part of my upcoming vacation reading this stuff (and others, too, I assure you) I love the 'Million Dollar Reward' concept for any demonstrable showing of a paranormal experience. Anywho, there you are. Dave K. (23 years ago, 18-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Since you cast aspersions on Chris' reading comprehension in (URL) is inexcusable that you should fail to read his subsequent post correctly. He is not questioning the "reasons" for your assertion; he's questioning the "reasoning" for it. Can (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'd caution that "infinite" still does not mean "comprehensive," since we could in theory study the potential spatial relationships between two particles and find an infinite number of potential combinations, and that's just two particles. And (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Erik Olson writes: <snip> (...) Rats! Well, that one's out then... Dave (23 years ago, 18-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Forgetting about the nature of my particular chosen religion, and *my* God therein, the question before us is, 'Can *something* exist outside of science?' The idea that I have a faith in an infinite God is inconsequential. The thought that (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) out (...) Yes, I understand. I suppose I was using a short-hand description. My bad. I think we all know and understand what you're asserting. And it's still wrong. It seems that you are suggesting that the nature of "a god" is to (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes: <snip> (...) <snip> (...) <snip> And that point is tiresome for me to point out again, and again, and again, but I will, because pointing out the truth, as people here may agree--is the right (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I thought I had quit this thread, but this note was too cool! I think it would make an interesting qualitative study of newsgroup dynamics to get the major participants of a bulky thread to recap the thread in detail. Each of them would emphasize (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Religious persons seem to have a need to create a false opposition between faith and science where no such opposition exists, at least not from the science side of it. To explain this problem I note the following definitions: 1) Faith can be defined (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Good researching. I did take myself out back and slapped myself around a bit--well, figuratively anyway. And I have no problem admitting that, in that particular debate about Ev'n vs Cr'm, things did get a little outta hand (some even had to (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Nope, sorry. The druids didn't integrate very well into the Empire. A young druid named Vader hunted them down and destroyed the last of the Druids. Now their order is all but extinct. No, totally extinct. Gaius Julius Caesar took some notes (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) One guess where I was when my son decided the computer was his to use.... The bird has a new technique to avoid the harness: he puts his head down flush with my arm so that I can't loop it around him. He's too flipping smart (but he's still a (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Aughhh, it's times like that when you just need to step away and get some fresh air... maybe walk the dog... and the cat... the bird.... Maggie C. (23 years ago, 18-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sorry, all I know about druids comes from Spinal Tap's epic "Stonehenge"(from the infamous "Black" album), which Nigel describes as "an anthem to my Druidic ancestors." Who were they and what were they doing? -John (23 years ago, 18-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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My son wandered in and logged me off when I stepped away and wiped out my almost finished reply. I'm not going to go back and type it up all again for two reasons. One is that it is too much work. Second is that all I'm doing is being forced to (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, William R. Ward writes: <snip> (...) Actually, my 'little' understanding of the druidic, I'm kinda intrigued. Anybody have links and/or a good resource about being a druid? My curiosity is piqued. Dave K. (23 years ago, 18-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I haven't read the entire thread because there's just too darn much of it. But I've read a fair chunk of it, and I'm struck by the insistence that there are only two ways to look at things: science or religion (specifically, Christianity). The (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes: <snip> (...) K, lets look at the one quotatoin that this is directly in resonse to, and let me try to show you how I interpreted it without any straw men in sight: Quoteth Richard (I think): (...) "My (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) K, we're just not reading one another here. At all. And I don't know if both of us are just being obtuse, but here's my premise: Science is a good way for us to come to understand the physical universe. Things may exist outside the scope of (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The trouble with birds are that you can fawn over them all day and then they come to expect it (Cockatoos are the worst if you indulge them). When I take time off from work, I'm usually careful not to show the bird more attention than usual. (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As I said, Richard's identification of your straw man argument doesn't make it so; your argument is a straw man because it caricatures your opponent's position and in so doing you attempt to give yourself an easier target to attack. The fact (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Congos are better talkers as well; perhaps the best. Only Yellow Napes and Double Yellowheads can compare. I used to care for parrots, but never owned one. I think that they are among (if not the most) demanding of all pets. To be truly happy, (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I just flashed on walking catfish. Oh no, you mean this can get worse? And then John's message. Do I need Steve Irwin to help walk the cobra? "Crikey! What's a cob-ra doing in rattlesnayke country? Watch me put me thumb us his..." Bruce (23 years ago, 17-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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You have so completely oversimplified the possibilities in your analysis that a complete evaluation would be quite lengthy. (...) No one thinks this. At least not any more than every feeling-complex is purely physical because our brain contains our (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But did he try to take the cobra on a walk? :-) Congo. For anyone that doesn't understand those cryptic words, the African Grey comes in two varieties: Congo and Timneh. The former is slightly larger and lighter, the latter is slightly smaller (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Go back and look since you clearly didn't bother to read it in the first place. (...) Another attempt at an emotional response: imply that emotional responses must be "touchy-feely" and therefore something of derision that you wouldn't use. (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I thought it was an accurate summation of his position, and not a simplistic caricature at all, and I did not see any proof to the contrary, just the <delete> 'straw man arguement', and therefore my claim that 'calling it a straw man arguement (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not even close. But this guy almost did: (URL) Congo or Timneh? (I assume Congo) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) [ka-snippity] (...) end? ...not until the bird says it's time to go for a walk, *and you listen to him* ;-) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You are exactly correct. What makes it a straw argument is the fact that you made a simplistic caricature of Richard's argument and then addressed it as though it was an accurate summation of his position. That is the very definition of a (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd writes: <snip> (...) I just have fish .:Pout:. Oh, and a robot that sometimes follows me around the livingroom when it's so inclined. Dave (23 years ago, 17-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Show me. Just don't say it's a false premise and clip it. It's like, 'I don't agree with that--it doesn't make scientific sense, therefore its false or invalid' which *is* the very nature of this discussion. I never wanted to invoke an (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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No, this isn't about science, or religion, or politics (though no doubt it will transmogrify into that if it goes on long enough, but that is another theory for another day). It's about..... (dramatic pause for effect) ...taking the dog for a walk. (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) wasn't saying you were making that assertion, noting how you argued ~against~ it. that viewpoint is shared by many here and zillions over the globe that humans are the only ones with souls, as we once thought we were the center of the physical (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, James Brown writes: <snip> (...) Well, there's a movie called 'The 7 Year Itch'... ;) Dave K (23 years ago, 17-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I said "an emotional appeal", not emotions. I've clipped the rest of your paragraph because it was preceeding on a false premise. An emotional appeal is one that does not rely on fact, but instead tries to invoke an emotional response to gain (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Really? Do you have a convenient cite for this? I did some google searching, and only found 2nd or 3rd hand references of dubious quality. I have heard the 4-6 year thing before, but never from a particularly qualified source. It's also never (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I believe that this is the intellectual hubris that Dave K is refering to when he talks about elevating science to godhood. By rejecting the notion that there might be anything science cannot address, you are attributing a universality to the (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Just because you say it's a straw man, don't make it so. Quoteth Hop-Frog (...) Further quoteth (...) Not a straw man arguement--you state in the paragraph above that there will *always* be something new to study. How can you make that (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Then no problem. (...) I'm saying that many aspects of colour preference is quite inside the realm of scientific inquiry, just as stydying a candle and it's many psychological and physiological impacts on a human can, and *should* be studied (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, my mistake -- fair enough. James did state something very like your own statement. I read too quickly I guess...sorry. Mea culpa. (...) I suppose it could, but it would not (proving a negative, etc.). That's not the purpose of scientific (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is why hypothetical situations fail, particularly when in relation to members of the opposite sex :). Thus far all that has been discussed is based upon a series of hypothetical people who all think that sex is something that is based (...) (23 years ago, 17-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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