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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Joseph Williams writes:
> > This hominid-centric viewpoint that we are the sole custodians of emotions
> > baffles me.
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> There is no such assertion being made by me. Human examples merely avoid
> the extra step of having to describe how one knows the experience of another
> species.
wasn't saying you were making that assertion, noting how you argued
~against~ it. that viewpoint is shared by many here and zillions over the
globe that humans are the only ones with souls, as we once thought we were
the center of the physical universe and everything revolved around us. it's
as if we're finally reaching the adolescence of the age of humanity and
finally leaving the ego saturated toddler years behind.
> I think I read "Ghost in the Machine" many, many years ago.
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> A lot of the stuff that comes up in this debate is well settled in my view,
> it is the opposition that wants to keep looking at it as if the same old
> arguments have somehow improved over time. I'd be open to new data and a
> re-examination of the "reality" model we have all agreed to based on that --
> but no new data about the "existence of god" has been discovered. Make of
> it what you will. I know what I make of it.
it's also dismissing the amazing abilities and lifestyles that all the
animals and plants have carved out over millenia. saying that it's the hand
of god that makes an octopus mimic a seasnake or a flounder is not
appreciating the animal for it's triumphs. i think it adds more wonder to
the universe because your not crediting all the marvels to one
motivationally-suspicous deity, but instead each and every organism is
responsible for it's own gifts ( or possibly the snaggly toothed beasty on
it's tail pushing it to even greater limits of self preservation )
cheers Joseph
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