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(...) Libertarianism doesn't speak to it directly except to say that if you feel you're your brother's keeper, that is fine, keep on keeping, but that does not mean that everyone has to contribute to support your sense of obligation. Hence, my taxes (...) (25 years ago, 18-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As (...) Subject to circumstances, obviously. (...) And anyone who invades my home, without a mask, without having the minimal intelligence necessary to check if there is anyone home first, is not at the top of the food chain. I am confident (...) (25 years ago, 18-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I have stayed out of this debate until now, but this needs a response. First off, have you been living in a cave?? I am serious, didn't you ever study history? Homosexuality has been around since the beginning of man. If it wasn't, why was (...) (25 years ago, 18-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's an interesting stance. All I've learned -- from my faith and otherwise -- indicates that we are our brother's keeper; e.g. we're responsible to do what we can for others. Is your "hands-off" approach a tenet of Libertarianism, or have (...) (25 years ago, 18-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Disagree. We are not our brother's keeper. Not as people, not as a nation. Where a preemptive strike against evil serves a clear national interest, maybe. (1) But not here, or in Somalia, or Haiti, or Grenada or even in Iraq... "Honest (...) (25 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You're going to do what he says, huh? Even when he remembers that he forgot his mask, realises you probably ID'ed him very well (remember, you were pointing out how you'd be observing every detail, that's often a fairly noticable behaviour), (...) (25 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Agreed. But it takes "beyond a reasonable doubt" not "certain", We had very reasonable doubts based on what we were presented. But I'm pretty sure this particular perp was guilty, or that the DA was lying to us about the circumstances. There (...) (25 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sure, lots of countries have pretty money. Some are outright garish. But I think the greenback has a certain understated elegance to it. -- Terry K -- (25 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snipped most of the back and forth about 'what is walking'> (...) But you are not going anywhere. Therefore you are not fulfilling the purpose of walking. (...) People throughout the ages have been. Check your ancient history. (...) "it" gets (...) (25 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) True. And any who did would throw popcorn and tell you to shut up. (...) Yep. That is the idea. Complete freedom in a society is a chimera. -- Terry K -- (25 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sounds like a movie title, or a 'professional' wrestling bill; "Lugnet Gun Debate Wars III: The Wrath Of Lar" -- Terry K -- (25 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What other purposes of walking can u think of? One foot in front of the other causes a displacement away from where you was standing, enjoyment of it is irrelevant - you are still walking therefore moving. (...) Well it is isn't it - the (...) (25 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I can agree with the thought. Never safe to assume that the losers who end up making up the regulations and nit-picky junk would actually create a program that would be effective. (25 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But I think what we need to know is which of these things make intercourse different from walking such that the use of the activity toward some goal other than the 'original' one is deemed an illness rather than perfectly reasonable? (...) If (...) (25 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I do not live in the US. Define 'readily available'. I can, with a certain amount of paperwork, go down to my local sporting goods store, or outdoor supplier, and pick up a hunting rifle or shotgun. I don't even know what I would have to do to (...) (25 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Two things. 1) You can *never* be 100% sure that anyone committed any crime with circumstantial evidence. 2) Were you a juror for the O.J. travesty, uh sorry, trial? -John <donning asbestos suit for wrath of Lar> (...) Repeat after me. I was (...) (25 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But the odds are as much in favor of the fatality being mine as anyone elses. If I'm involved in a violent crime, I would simply rather the chance of a fatality was slim or none. (...) Hm. I'm sorry, but the number of little old ladies who get (...) (25 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If you live in the US (do you?) guns are readily available to criminals. When I was in highschool (roughly 1985-6) I was periferally associated with a group of kids who brought guns from Texas to Missouri and sold them to other kids at a huge (...) (25 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ah, but we are. As a nation with the economic, military and technological capability, it is our responsibility as a nation to do what we can to preserve peace. (1) Our actions in Kosovo can only lengthen the conflict and turn other nations (...) (25 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Bravo. If you're going to fight, fight to win. The Clinton administration has demonstrated that it does not understand the Powell doctrine and is misusing the military might of the US here, as it did in so many other places around the world (...) (25 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It doesn't bother me much when the fatality is the invader. What DOES bother me in your (contrived (1)) scenario is all the little old ladies clubbed to death with baseball bats because they can't swing a big stick as well as a 6'2" 240 pound (...) (25 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Perhaps if HCI wanted to make a better world they'd push for things that would incent people to be as responsible as Mike (and myself, I fancy to think) are. Then we'd be safe from all manner of ills which cannot be wished out of existance. (...) (25 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Once. (...) Once. (same case both times) I was the foreman on a jury that got the "wrong" verdict. Wrong in that we let someone go who clearly was guilty. But "clearly" was not clear to us until after the fact, when we talked to the prosecutor (...) (25 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Do you think that's gel I see in his portrait? It looks like he's fresh from the stylist. :-) Duane (25 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's also a non-issue because it's a felony to cross state lines with your weapon. At least that's how I understand it. (25 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah, but have you checked out the new blow-dried Andrew Jackson on the 20? We're moving that way :-) (25 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hi. (...) But, the people of the colonies and the people of Britain had different worries. I don't want to get into a historical debate, because I am simply not equipped to do so...I mean I'm ignorant in comparison to you. (unless you're (...) (25 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Thanks, I was doing it from memory - thinking I got it right and noticed that I was wrong after the fact. I think the commas I left out are more significant than security, but it's better to have it all. (25 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So, should we assume that taxation, in any form other than optional user fees, by your definition is evil? (If so, we agree.) (25 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It means practiced. That is, the militia (the people) will have the opportunity to practice as much as they want because they have the right to own any arm. Because of this, the people will be ready to revolt or defend against foreign (...) (25 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snipped OJ stuff> (...) opinion? Well, the first thing that pops into mind as far as 'clearly wrong' goes is outdated laws. Laws do not cover all eventualities, and occaisonally, a situation occurs where a law has been broken, but blame does (...) (25 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This may be some common ground where we can all agree. Duane (25 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Why is this? (...) Paintball leaves a lot to be desired with respect to accuracy. I guess part of my bias here is that I own my own marker and know how it shoots. I understand what its limitations are, and work with them. (...) I don't see the (...) (25 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually, all animals have emotions. Mammals have much more sofisticated emotions than, say, lizards though. If the Discovery channel re-runs the show 'Why Dogs Smile and Chimpanzees Cry', check it out. It was extremely informative about the (...) (25 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What makes a criminal trial verdict clearly wrong? For instance with OJ: everyone I knew had an opinion, most of them thought he was guilty as hell and should fry, but a few were absolutely sure that he was innocent. So, he got off and (...) (25 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, I am very aware of the impact that this would have. That is my point. (...) weapons (...) a (...) useless (...) from (...) (25 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Wouldn't matter then. No one would be able to hear you over the THX sound system. ;) (...) Preserving some rights means restricting other rights. Right? Steve (25 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That is my hope, belief, and aim. Steve (25 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, it is my belief that, in general, most criminals of the caliber likely to invade my home while I am there are neither stunningly intelligent or ambitious. As such, if guns are difficult to get a hold of, they are much less likely to have (...) (25 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So it is your belief that in areas with strict gun control laws criminals simply choose, out of fear of the law or something, to arm themselves with knives and baseball bats? (...) It would seem that your logic is completely faulty. It IS (...) (25 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I've been trying to stay away from this thread, but I can't just let this slide by. I do not want to own a gun, but if I lived in an area where guns were commonly available (as in your suggestion above), I would likely need to get one. Why? (...) (25 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No problem - it's just easier to follow if I don't have to hunt back down the thread to figure out if I'm remembering something correctly. (...) Granted. I was, however, thinking at a level even more esoteric than this: both walking and sex (...) (25 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Mike Stanley wrote in message ... (...) Of course if one got down to it, one could make a constitional issue of it since the Bill of Rights specifically indicates that it is not the sole enumeration of rights. It is an enumeration of the rights (...) (25 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Mike Stanley wrote in message ... (...) A comment to add to this: A gun owner has total control over his weapon. A dog owner has incomplete . Either means of protection is subject to serious abuse by irresponsible owners. Of course a responsible (...) (25 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<snip> (...) I think this point comes close to getting at why folks are a little leery of semi-automatic and automatic weapons so readily available. Because most of the population is *not* as responsible and conscientious about using their weapons (...) (25 years ago, 17-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sorry my mistake - however we don't lose posts like on USENET - I must be getting lapse. <Stuff snipped about ill and walking> (...) Walking can be done on your own, coitus cannot. Sex is an intimate thing between 2 people originally for (...) (25 years ago, 16-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As I said above A and B could be the same place, displacement = 0. (25 years ago, 16-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The main beef I have with foreigners is that, for the most part, their money is prettier than ours. Who the hell picked green as the color of money? (25 years ago, 16-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'd like a copy of the bibliography. Dunno about you, but I took all honors and AP English classes when I was in high school (and English is one of the majors I had in college), but I doubt I could get through one of the papers I wrote when I (...) (25 years ago, 16-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I wonder if a TN concealed carry permit would be honored in FL. Probably not, but worth checking into since we're planning another FL vacation. May be a non-issue since we're considering flying, though. May also be a non-issue if we drive, (...) (25 years ago, 16-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm going to see the new SW movie for the same reason I went to see Jurassic Park - I dig cool special effects. Sure, I like the good vs evil aspect of it, but I never cared much for the "story" in the other three. I'm sure this one will be (...) (25 years ago, 16-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The free citizens who are guaranteed the right to arm themselves make that decision for themselves. Probably sounds wacko in today's society, but I'd say let the people who want to own firearms do so and let those who don't want them not own (...) (25 years ago, 16-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Depends on which definition of regulate you want to accept, I suppose. 'Course, you also have to try to understand what the founders might have meant by it, something a lot of people don't want to do if it doesn't fit their side of the (...) (25 years ago, 16-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It also sounds like a stupid question. What do you think, that if enough people admit that guns, in essence, are meant to shot projectiles that will kill another person, they'll just vanish? Or gunowners the world over will just jump up and (...) (25 years ago, 16-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So it is your belief that a revolver is ok while a semi-automatic pistol like my Glock is not. What's the difference, really? I can almost guarantee you that I could kill someone with the revolver more efficiently than the Glock, if for no (...) (25 years ago, 16-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Do you think you or I can go to a gun store and buy an automatic weapon? Do you know why or why not? Do you understand what a semi-automatic weapon is? Do you know what kind of handguns and rifles you would leave us with if all "automatic and (...) (25 years ago, 16-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, except for maybe that one case that happens every now and then when the criminal trial verdict was clearly wrong. (25 years ago, 16-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Reply-To: cjc@newsguy.com Followup-To: (...) Demonstrate a need to own anything other than plaid pants or frilly pink shirts. Demonstrate a need to own more than one pair of shoes. It's none of your or anyone else's business why I own a gun, (...) (25 years ago, 16-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) There's a specific procedure for overruling an amendment. One that no congresscritter, no matter how liberal, has the guts to try to initiate. Unfortunately, nothing can prevent them from working towards the same goal with stupid little (...) (25 years ago, 16-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Don't pin that on the D only. The R is right there behind them in "me too" mode. (25 years ago, 16-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Mr L F Braun wrote in message <373D07C9.3E786497@p...su.edu>... (...) wrong.) (...) Your entirely ignoring the reason for the Declaration of Independance... The reason the United States has its own government totally independant of England is (...) (25 years ago, 16-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Amen to that, brother. And it is the Democratic Party that is fueling *that* fire by trying to have Government "take care" of everyone-- and deny personal freedoms in the process, and thus responsibility. (...) What, are you kidding!! I got (...) (25 years ago, 15-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I forgot the most important point: Those transactions are completed 99% of the time via wire transfer from bank accounts - that is the reason that brokerages would be required to track the transactions. (25 years ago, 15-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Just to name two of the initiatives - Koch and Dinkins added 1000s of police to the force. The return of beat cops in "problem" neighborhoods. (...) No need to disagree - the quotes are there simply to reinforce the fact that we do not and (...) (25 years ago, 15-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hi, Sorry, Ed, I've got one nitpick: (...) This statement is 100% dead wrong. Europe may have been "more civilized," but only because the idea of civilization was "that which is like Europe." The "world" was not--and in large part it was so because (...) (25 years ago, 15-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hi! (...) <culturerant> I'm from Detroit. Half of my family came from Ontario in the early decades of this century; the other half is from Ohio. I've got Canadian, English, Welsh, Norman, Saxon, Oneida, and Lord knows what other identity. What's (...) (25 years ago, 15-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Thanks for the kind words--I read that post anew with the benefit of sleep (I'd been up for about 20 hours when I typed that) and it's not as incoherent as I'd feared. And yeah, that was part of the reason for not talking about Hitler--after (...) (25 years ago, 15-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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John DiRienzo wrote: <snip> (...) Well said and very libertarian, thank you. (25 years ago, 14-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Lee Jorgensen wrote in message <373C4173.E8AB1A57@u...st.net>... (...) "bear (...) merely (...) *Everyone* would (...) the use (...) The Constitution does not specify which types of arms, but nowhere does it say that *anything* is contraband to an (...) (25 years ago, 14-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Christopher L. Weeks wrote in message <373C485D.E0DE68AA@c...ri.edu>... (...) Probably so, but less traumatic than being shot or worse, killed. Thats the how I feel about it - I don't want to be killed or even shot. Anyone want to argue with that? (...) (25 years ago, 14-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I have been following along with all you guys arguing over this subject (sorry, "debating"). Interesting points from all sides, but of course ultimately it is fruitless - neither side will convince the other to significantly change their (...) (25 years ago, 14-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Debatable. But debating it puts me in an R defending position. No thanks, I'll pass. Politicians would take credit for the sun rising if they could. (...) No argument, R & D are both nasty. I just hope Carville and Matalin never have kids, (...) (25 years ago, 14-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) When the British marched on Concord April 19, 1775, the militia essentially consisted every able bodied citizen. I believe that the 2nd amendment is specifically referring to an informal militia NOT controlled by the wider government (though (...) (25 years ago, 14-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The changes were brought about by initiatives begun during the Koch and Dinkins administrations - Rudy is just taking credit for it all. FYI - I like D infinitely better than R, but that's another subject (and if you really want to talk nasty (...) (25 years ago, 14-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What does "well regulated" mean, in the context of the Second Amendment? Seriously. "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Steve (25 years ago, 14-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Something I'd like to add is that I recently read some historical accounts of April 19, 1775 (British march on Concord, Paul Revere, shot heard round the world and all that). Almost all of the colonial casualties that day were civilians (...) (25 years ago, 14-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Why are we in this NG then? I can't debate either statement :-) Duane (25 years ago, 14-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Plus, he makes really really really cool Castle sets. (...) Sure, they're evil. But... Why is everyone scrambling to go see Star Wars? Why is everyone scrambling to buy the toys? To see the makeup jobs? To explore brave new possibilities for (...) (25 years ago, 14-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes. I think the lack of feeling/being responsible for one's actions is a major problem in our society. A second problem is civil lawsuits following innocent verdicts in criminal trials. Steve (25 years ago, 14-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) *LOL* Larry, you do have a way with words (...) I do agree with you on the TLG reference though. Duane (25 years ago, 14-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Discharging a projectile is not the same as to kill. If that were true, I could be arrested just for vomiting. My point was that guns were designed to kill by shooting at the intended victim (animal, vegitable, or mineral). I asked if you (...) (25 years ago, 14-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Nitpick: You got the wording slightly wrong (which can make a world of difference if you start analyzing it) "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not (...) (25 years ago, 14-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Right, that's why I didn't either. Wish the other side had brought it up first. <grin> (1) It's true, though. I worked it in via the Custer reference. Tyrants disarm populations. That's what they do. If you are living somewhere that is trying (...) (25 years ago, 14-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Self selected. By the criteria of being able to afford it. To whatever extent it takes. (personally I want star trek stunners too, and I'd put up some VC to get them if I had any) (...) Check yours. The reduction in violent crimes seems mostly (...) (25 years ago, 14-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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The LP had a pretty good PR release recently. Paraphrasing... suppose other amendments were as watered down as the 2nd? Each of these is a parallel to a existing law that regulates the acquisition or ownership of guns. Fortunately, each is currently (...) (25 years ago, 14-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Why does it matter? The first half of it is merely a justification for the second which is direction on what rights are granted to (actually affirmed for) whom. (...) No. (...) That's right, they didn't want to limit it to any particular kind (...) (25 years ago, 14-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Are you saying the to discharge a projectile is the same as to kill? My ruger has discharged many projectiles, but probably never killed...I bought it new. But, for the sake of the argument, I believe that there are collectible firearms that (...) (25 years ago, 14-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You know, I don't get that. I've seen lots of newsgroups explode into US v. Canada or US v. UK debates, and its always so silly. Ultimately, you get a tiny little say in what goes on in your government and I get a tiny little say in mine, but (...) (25 years ago, 14-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I was about to seriously flame you, but then I figured that you were being sarcastic. ...You were being sarcastic, weren't you? Duane (25 years ago, 14-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Give me one example of a fire arm that was produced, but never intened to discharge a projectile (other than a starting pistol). (...) it. (...) I will concede that they are currently protected under the second amendment, but I _personally_ (...) (25 years ago, 14-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) A) Many of us consider this a bad thing. B) Those on the gun-control side of things typically espouse a significant (but faulty) difference between guns and cars in that guns are intentionally dangerous. I am constantly frustrated by this, but (...) (25 years ago, 14-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If he did that, he would have lost the argument by default. Steve (25 years ago, 14-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The second amendment means that if they get too carried away with negating our rights, we can take them back. (25 years ago, 14-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I wrote a report in High school on gun control. When I find it, would you like a copy of it or the bibliography? Jeff (25 years ago, 14-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh, Larry. You're not going to fall back on that tired "personal responsibility for personal actions" argument again, are you? When will you understand that the *government* is responsible for all our actions, or the companies who sold us (...) (25 years ago, 14-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It says: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Now, what is a militia? According to dictionary.com, militia means "In the widest (...) (25 years ago, 14-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's what they say on the news...I guess it must be true. Why can't they make the numbers reflect that then? Verrrry interestingk. How would this training prevent crimes of passion? (...) Really? So saving ten and losing one isn't a good (...) (25 years ago, 14-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) To the best of my knowledge, my Ruger never has. (...) What possible reason could you have for that? They are quite obviously protected by the second amendment. Every weapon available to the agents of government are protected by the second. (...) (25 years ago, 14-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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