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Re: Mention Hitler? You lose (was Re: New Web Page
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Sat, 15 May 1999 04:42:50 GMT
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Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> Steve Bliss wrote:
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> > On Fri, 14 May 1999 15:17:44 GMT, Lee Jorgensen <ljorgensen@uswest.net>
> > wrote:
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> > > Mr L F Braun wrote:
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> > > <snipped>
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> > > WELL SAID!
> > >
> > > The only thing you didn't reference was Hitler's confiscation of
> > > guns as the precursor to WW2.
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> > If he did that, he would have lost the argument by default.
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> > Steve
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> Right, that's why I didn't either. Wish the other side had brought it up
> first. <grin> (1) It's true, though. I worked it in via the Custer
> reference. Tyrants disarm populations. That's what they do. If you are
> living somewhere that is trying to disarm you, check your premises.
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> 1 - for the newbies in the audience, Usenet tradition (2) holds that the
> first side in an argument to mention Hitler or Nazis loses the argument,
> since it's such a stock invokation.
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> 2 - which probably applies here, can we have a ruling on that, Todd? Or
> is it a "norms of the group" thing? In that case, I for one say it does,
> any dissenters?
Thanks for the kind words--I read that post anew
with the benefit of sleep (I'd been up for about 20
hours when I typed that) and it's not as incoherent
as I'd feared.
And yeah, that was part of the reason for not talking
about Hitler--after all, that's such a red-herring topic
that it actually makes more impact to talk about the
more "civilized" and supposedly democratic regimes
that did the same thing to subject populations. Besides,
I'm not a specialist in German history. I didn't know
about the Custer/Sioux disarmament angle Larry men-
tioned, though--that's rather interesting, and really clears
up a lot of questions about US imperialism.
(If anyone's interested, by the way, there are studies
that compare Russian 19th-century territorial expansion
in eastern and central Asia to US pursual of "Manifest
Destiny"--there's a lot of parallels when looking at them
as episodes of contiguous imperialism. I'm not sure what
the relative population levels were, though, nor how
feasible it might have been to disarm Kazakh and Inuit
communities.)
Oh, here's another reason not to invoke the Little Austrian
Dictator--killfiles. Many regular USENET readers block
any post that includes "Hitler," "Nazi," and the like, so
one's message might reach far fewer concerned people if
one descends into that particular level of Hell. Come to
think of it, is anyone listening now, given the header...? ;)
-LFB.
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| (...) Right, that's why I didn't either. Wish the other side had brought it up first. <grin> (1) It's true, though. I worked it in via the Custer reference. Tyrants disarm populations. That's what they do. If you are living somewhere that is trying (...) (26 years ago, 14-May-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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