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"Scott A" <eh105jb@mx1.pair.com> wrote in message
news:G4p2uy.KL2@lugnet.com...
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
> > > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > > > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
> > > > > LP POINT 1
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Larry,
> > > > > Can you please show me how wrong I am?
> > > > >
> > > > > Scott A
> > > > >
> > > > > From:
> > > > > http://news.lugnet.com/off-topic/debate/?n=7427
> > > > >
> > > > > =+=
> > > > > > > I liked this, it pretty much sums up my view of the LP:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Libertarians and their "I've got mine, Jack" philosphy are people • who were
> > > > > > > born on third base and think they've hit life's triple. In • America's
> > > > > > > egalitarian society it should surprise no one this cramped, • neo-Victorian
> > > > > > > philosophy has not caught on.
> > > > > > > Russell Sadler, commentator, Jefferson Public Radio in Ashland, • Oregon
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There are so many fallacies, errors, and ad hominem attacks in this • one,
> > > > > > it's hard to know where to begin. Is it your point, though? Is it • the one
> > > > > > you want to pick? It's pretty weak.
> > > > >
> > > > > So weak that you will not answer it? Show me this guy is wrong. Show • me what
> > > > > the support for LP is. Show me it is a representative cross section of • the
> > > > > US public.
> > > >
> > > > Clearly state the question, please, along with your assumptions.
> > > >
> > > > In the absence, though...
> > > >
> > > > I've never claimed that the LP has massive support among the voting • populace
> > > > as a political party.
> > >
> > > That is not the point of my point:
> > >
> > > "Show me it is a representative cross section of the US public."
> > >
> > > I'm interested in breadth - not depth. Show me that all socio-economic
> > > groups support the LP in a broadly representative manner - show me it is • not
> > > weighted towards "people who were born on third base and think they've • hit
> > > life's triple" as you asserted.
> >
> > I'm not sure what that phrase means, exactly. It seems pejorative and • seems
> > to (along with phrases like "cramped, Victorian") show the speaker's bias
> > and tendency to want to use ridicule instead of critical thinking. But I
> > don't believe I claimed the LP is supported broadly by "all socioeconomic
> > groups". Why would you expect it to be?
>
> The libertarian claim to benefit all society... not just the poperty • owning
> part of it.
>
> > What matters to us is that
> > libertarian ideas (small l) are catching on. We don't have to win • elections
> > to achieve that. We don't even have to get support from *all* the groups,
> > especially not the socioeconomic groups who are (since they were free
> > riding) going to be worse off, until they realise that there are no free
> goods.
>
> So you have to be cruel to be kind... I see. So, how long would it take? • How
> many would die? How much would crime rise by an the short term?
>
> >
> > > What you almost outpoll Buchanan easily? That implies you beat him? :)
> >
> > Snipe.
>
> No Larry, a jest :)
>
> Scott A
>
> >
> > > > What I *have* said is that small l libertarian ideas are on the • ascendency,
> > > > in the main, world wide. Do you dispute that point? Do you dispute that • many
> > > > countries in the world are moving in the direction of more personal and • more
> > > > economic freedom?
> > >
> > > Yep, I read that Chilli is a prime example of your principles.
> >
> > Snipe.
>
> Nope, a fact. Chilli and New-Zealand are best examples of it... along with
> medieval Iceland(!). Do your research Larry.
>
> Scott A
>
> >
> > Do you or do you not agree that the world is moving in the direction of • more
> > personal freedom and more economic freedom?
>
> Tell that to starving kids in the developing world... I'm sure that'll • chear
> them up.
This sounds overly tough. I own property. I own stocks. I, my wife and my
family all have investments in the "markets". Based on this, I'd say I am in
favour of economic freedom. However, I am also in favour of an education
system based on ability not money. I see no contradiction in these things. I
earn above the UK average, and I am happy to pay above average tax.
Scott A
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> Scott A
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