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Re: IP ( was Re: LP POINT 1
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Thu, 30 Nov 2000 14:18:44 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
> > > > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > >
> > > > If you rummage around, you’ll find that there are plenty within the LP who
> > > > voice descent at everything from your sign-up clause (“I do not believe in
> > > > or advocate the initiation of force as a means of achieving political or
> > > > social goals.”) right down to what is the meaning of “property” or “force”.
> >
> > >
> > > Can you check that for a possible missing word? I read it a few times and
> > > haven't grokked it yet. Thanks! Maybe it's a UK turn of phrase? "voice
> > > decent at"??
> >
> > I have now corrected my spelling.
>
> Changed it, anyway <grin>... I now interpret that as "voice dissent at", and
> now I get it.
>
> Recall the question Maggie asked about libertarian views on abortion? She
> was surprised at that informal unscientific poll result showing division of
> opinion. I wasn't, really.
>
> One wag has said that asking a bunch of prickly individualists with strong
> opinions to come together and agree on how to foment a peaceful revolution
> is, to put it mildly, like trying to herd cats.
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> > > But it's not my personal viewpoint. Rather, I feel that "Words" cannot be
> > > owned any more than the knowledge that 600 angstroms is a particular color,
> > > but the arrangements of words, the arrangement of colors into patterns, the
> > > arrangment of buttons and controls in an application, the arrangement of
> > > brick images into instructions, all these things can be copyrighted as
> > > particular expressions of ideas, I feel.
>
> (let me strengthen that from can to "may" to convey my *approval* of the
> notion of IP, rather than merely recognition of the current ability to do so)
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> > Yes. Naturally, just because it can be copyrighted does not make it right to
> > do so. I think inventions and formulations can be copyrighted/patented to
> > protect “investment” of time / money – otherwise that investment may never
> > occurred. I’m not really all the keen of IP rights associated with human
> > genetic discoveries or with ones such as this :
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/business/newsid_806000/806665.stm
>
> This was a rice discovery wasn't it rather than human? But yes, I'm not sure
> I've made up my mind. I haven't myself done a detailed rights based OR
> utilitarian based analysis and I haven't read one that made me turn dogmatic
> yet, although there are some good ones out there (both ways).
>
> > > What do YOU think? Can something be copyrighted, patented, registered as a
> > > trademark, acknowledged as trade dress?
> >
> > Notionally, I am in the business of disseminating information (both my own
> > and others). My employer puts great pressure on me to ensure that I take IP
> > seriously. So, you could say, I have been indoctrinated into IP culture. So
> > much so, that I signed a copyright transfer just yesterday.
>
> Yes, fine, and I pay taxes. :-) :-) But do you *approve*, or are you just
> going along?
I suppose I approve of the system I work in - I don't profit from it though.
> (by analogy, not trying to start a topic: I don't approve of
> paying taxes at the current level, I just go along. I *know* we can have
> "enough" government (to suit me) for less taxes and I *hope* we can have
> "enough" for none at all, properly structured, but I go along)
This reminds me of an article I was reading the other day. In 1997 USA tax
at ~30% of GDP (1999 GDP / cap = $34k) whilst in the UK is was at ~34% (1999
GDP / cap = $22k) and in Denmark tax is at ~50% (1999 GDP / cap = $24k).
Denmark rejected the Euro this year, partly due to the fact that they feared
it would result in _lower_ taxes and public services cuts. However, it was
the narrow margin between the UK/USA which surprised me more. Based on my
understanding of the differences between UK/US governmental
education/health/welfare provision I was shocked at the difference - even in
percentage terms (in $ terms we pay less tax/cap than the USA). The extra
~4% has provided me with free healthcare, free education (from pre-school to
PhD – 23 years) and welfare support. Quite good value for money.
Would you not prefer to find 4% savings in USA system to provide extra
provision, rather than a tax cut?
Scott A
BTW – I was in Denmark a few years ago, they also get good value for money…
and they have good beer.
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> > I was surprised by the IP text I quoted, I would have thought that a
> > property focused ideology would recognise IP. I still won’t be surprised if
> > it transpired to be bunk.
>
> me too, me too, and I wouldn't be surprised either.
>
> ++Lar
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| (...) <emphasis> (...) </emphasis> But, oh what the heck... (...) Not sure it's an apples to apples. I can argue it the other way round... rather than the 4% of GDP difference giving you free healthcare, free education and welfare support... (...) (24 years ago, 30-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Changed it, anyway <grin>... I now interpret that as "voice dissent at", and now I get it. Recall the question Maggie asked about libertarian views on abortion? She was surprised at that informal unscientific poll result showing division of (...) (24 years ago, 30-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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