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Re: Reagan... not exactly libertarian, but close
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Tue, 4 Apr 2000 16:06:59 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Edward Sanburn writes:
> Bruce; (Big sigh, and away we go!)
> > Haha! I like that one! There is an essential truth to it. But once • again,
> > you are ascribing to Clinton what in truth many politicians are guilty of.
> >
> > Bush
> > / \
> > Liberal Conservative
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> Well, Clinton was the master of it, it was a Dick Morris idea, btw, and it
> worked beautifully for him (The era of big government is over.
> HA!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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> > That's the picture GWB gave at the start of the campaign.
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> I don't think so, BTW. Anyway:
"Compassionate conservative." When push came to shove, he ran as far right as
he could and tried to declare McCain a liberal (I would hardly declare Clinton
a liberal, much less McCain).
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> > When challenged by
> > someone that rewrote it as:
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> > McCain
> > / \
> > Liberal Conservative
> > \
> > Dubya
> > /
> > Reactionary
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> That's what left-liberals and Democrats paint all Republicans, and shame on
> Mccain for doing it. And you wonder why most Republicans didn't vote for
> him.
People are always trying to paint their opposition a way that suits them. For
example, you invariably say "left-liberal" but never say "right-conservative".
I don't wonder at all about how Republicans vote. I thought McCain too openly
courted cross-over votes and that there would be a backlash. But the general
electorate decides who wins the overall election, not just Republican faithful,
and Bush may find that he painted himself into a corner.
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> > Followed by Bush deciding that for the primaries at least he had best • stick to
> > basics and gave out the following:
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> > McCain - liberal conservative - Bush
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> Well, Mccain did have a lot of left-liberal ideas, did he not? And he played
> himself like an outsider in the realm of politics, when he wan't. Like Larry
> said, theya re all politicians, even Mccain.
Clinton and Gore are namby-pamby left-leaning moderates. McCain is a
namby-pamby right-leaning moderate. You have to be pretty far right-wing to
consider any of that lot as "left-liberals".
McCain wan't an outsider in the sense that he is a career politician and very
much part of the establishment. At the same time, the established order in the
Republican party all ran to deify Bush without really understanding the
"compassionate conservative" act that they thought would make him "electable"
in a general election was just an act. Bush is the representative of the party
machine, McCain wasn't.
I'm sure Larry said they are all politicians, but to quote (paraphrase most
likely) a previous message by me: Liberal, conservative, democrat, republican,
ya can't trust one of 'em.
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> > This played well for republican voters, but the trick is getting the
> > independents to forget about it in November.
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> Well, if you are running for the nominiation of a party (Let's not get into
> the whole primary debate again) would you not agree that you would want a
> nomination of the people in the party? Just a question... We shall see in
> November.
I don't question what he did - you can't win the general election if you don't
win the nomination. But in doing so, he revealed himself to be more right-wing
than he wanted to admit. I'm merely speaking in a strategic sense rather than
a judgmental one.
Bruce
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| Bruce (And all you McClain supporters out there), I am just wreathing at the Microsoft debacle, and now we go in on the McCain debacle. What is it? Is this not decided already? This sounds like a leftist whine fest. "Ah, gee whiz, he lost!" I have a (...) (25 years ago, 4-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| Bruce; (Big sigh, and away we go!) (...) again, (...) Well, Clinton was the master of it, it was a Dick Morris idea, btw, and it worked beautifully for him (The era of big government is over. HA!!!...!!!) (...) I don't think so, BTW. Anyway: (...) (...) (25 years ago, 3-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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