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Re: Reagan... not exactly libertarian, but close
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Mon, 3 Apr 2000 02:50:14 GMT
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Hi Scott,
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Edward Sanburn writes:
> Well, telling which schools to send your kids too is very limiting to
> parents,
Right, but it's the norm for those who don't want to spend double duty on their
children's education. I'm all in favor of school vouchers (or complete
privatization, for that matter). But what are you getting at here?
> and schools do teach a morality of their own,
Well, it seems like teachers might, and schools, districts, state boards of
education, etc might mandate some things but I doubt you can really make a case
for a clear teaching of some abnormal morality.
regardless if it is
> Christian or not. I know many parents at my church who have to deprogram the
> kids from the rot of all the various agendas in the school, self-esteem,
> environmentalist wacko programming, etc.
Cool, like what and how? I mean, I know that kids end up believing all kinds
of things that are wrong about all kinds of issues. Some of those are going to
be political in nature, eco-environmental, etc. Do you have specific things in
mind? I like the long-term substitute biology teacher who told the students
both that turtles shed their shells annually and that things (as in all thing
that can) burn because they contain sugar.
> I truly believe if you have to pay for the
> children to go to school, they should be able to send their children to the
> schools that they want.
Well sure. That's self evident.
> Left-liberals want the government to control many things, such as if I can
> own a gun or not, what cars I can / can't drive, what games I can play (I.E.
> Joesph Liberman, D - Conn?)
You know Scott, that when I claim further down that Republicans favor school
prayer, you make a point of saying that those are only some of them. But here,
you claim that liberals (you seem to mean all of them, or liberals in general)
favor game play control based on one man's stance. That's not quite fair is
it?
> etc. They want to raise my children, teach them,
> and tell me what I can and cannot do. That is anti-freedom if I ever have
> heard it.
I agree.
> > First, Republicans have
> > supported
>
> Some, not all.
>
> > (and I'm just pulling one out of my head, here) school prayer and
> > Democrats have not (generally).
>
> Well, schools have banned Christian clubs from meeting after hours. They
Some schools allow religious student orgs. Also, some ban Christian groups
meeting because they'd be forced to allow (for instance) Satanist student
groups too, and they don't even want to go there.
> also adovate giving out free condoms and drug needles. Clearly, the
Excuse me? I would like a reference to your source of information. Can you
actually point to a single public school that gives out free needles to the
student body? Even if you can produce such, does that really suggest to you
that this is a general attitude of public schools? It isn't.
> government endorses some behavior and condemns others. I don't think
> mandatory school prayer is lawful, but a moment of silence (Not every day in
> a class, but as in a assembly) would be OK.
Well, I think it would be 'OK' I guess too. But why bother? Why not just get
on to school work?
> > That limits my ability (right?) to send my children to public schools • devoid of
> > religious content. So clearly,
> > conservatives are, in some measure, anti-freedom.
>
> That is funny. Conservatives, in general, want the government to get out of
> our lives.
Which conservative leaders would you point to for support of that claim? Why
then didn't the federal government shrink ten-fold and get rid of tons of
invasive laws when there was a conservative congress?
> Left-liberals, like Hillary and AL Gore, want governmnet to take
> over most things, like raising your children and taking over the health care
> industry. They want to take your guns away, take more money from you in
> terms of taxes, regulate every industry, but conservatives want this as
> well?
That's not what I said. I said that conservatives want to impinge on my
freedom in different ways. But for the record, I have the leeway to favor the
conservative side of things in our current political climate.
> Clearly, Chris, you do not know conservative issues very well.
Well, a quick trip the RNC web site, to correct my misunderstanding and learn
about the 'real' conservative agenda yielded...squat. They don't say what
they're in favor of. All they do is bash Al Gore. Maybe I'll go look for
congressional bill records and see what kind of legislation Republican Senators
and Representatives have introduced.
> As a side issue, Larry, how does the
> Libertarian (Should it be capitolized?) party view age laws, such as
> drinking, smoking,. etc? How about child pornography? I am curious on these
> issues.
Me too. I think the problem is determining when people are old enough to have
full rights of man. And it's kind of impossible to set fair guidlines. _I_
basically think that when someone demonstrates that they understand those
rights, by demanding them, they should get them. Some people would do it at
twelve and others would never really do it.
> > In the same sense, many legally prescribed (and over the counter)
> > pharmaceuticals, and even regular foods, are
> > destructive. That is simple science.
>
> It depends on what you are looking at, what levels, etc. It is a little more
> complicated than simple science, folks!
Well, that's basically what my comment was meant to say to the original poster.
Chris
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