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McCain etc. (was: Re: Reagan... not exactly libertarian, but close)
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Mon, 3 Apr 2000 22:39:22 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Edward Sanburn writes:
> > Ummmm...not the McCain that I watched. Which leftist ideas do you mean?
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> Well, campaign finance is a HUGE one, for starters. I think the whols system
You're saying that campaign finance reform is a leftist topic? I don't think
so. Gore isn't really reform-minded. In general no establishment politicians
are going to be. If McCain truely is, then he's an exception.
> He waffled on taxes, social security, etc. The
Are you claiming that waffling is, in and of itself, a leftist
stance/idea/tactic/attribute? Everyone who thinks waffles sometimes. These
politicos, regardless of their party affiliation, do so a bit more than most of
us.
> press also lifted him up to a god-like status, even though he is a
> Republican. The press would also have more control of politics then they
> already do, and for the most part, are the left/liberal mind. The refroms
The press does generally seem to support a somewhat liberal agenda. But how
would they gain power over the political process?
> Mccain wanted would have hurt Republican financing, which is both funny and
> pathetic.
He wanted to bring the level of spending down for everyone, not just the GOP.
In what way would that be unfair?
> > I think he tried and mostly succeeded in portraying himself as a
> > reform-minded
> > candidate, not a political outsider. Everyone knows that he's a career
> > politico.
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> Well, he didn't portary himself as a reformer,
Um...can you support that. I guess I don't know how to argue when you claim
one thing, I claim another, and you rebut by repeating yourself as if my claims
weren't there. See my next statement below as an example...
> he tried to portray himself as a outsider, when he isn't.
No he didn't.
> Don't misunderstand, I really respect him, but
> he would have gotten balsted just as GWB is now.
Yeah, but he knows his right from his left and can tell you the names of the
leaders of the bannanna republic. Getting blasted is one thing when you can
respond intelligently, it's entirely another when you just look silly. GWB
sometimes has responded by looking silly. McCain didn't.
> It doesn't matter who got it, because the votes in November will tell.
What does that mean? I think that if McCain had won the primary, barring as
yet undiscovered closets full of skelletons, he would have beated Gore. I
doubt that Bush will. And for that matter, I don't much care. McCain seemed
novel and genuine and bright and so I was for him - even if he and I don't
agree on everything. Neither Bush nor Gore demonstrate any of those
attributes.
> I think the independant voters thing is overblown, but we shall see.
This is another statement that I just don't understand. Would you care to
elaborate?
Do you mean that the huge number of independent and Liberal voters who would
have likely joined the Republicans on election day don't matter? I think you
are very very wrong.
Chris
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