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Subject:	Re: Reagan... not exactly libertarian, but close
Newsgroups:	lugnet.off-topic.debate
Date:	Sat, 1 Apr 2000 17:15:49 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Edward Sanburn writes: > > Libertarianism is generally considered to be strongly toward the right > > of the political spectrum. > > > > Not by libertarians, it's not. We reject the one dimensional spectrum. You • need > > at least two. See the quiz at www.lp.org, for example. > > I have taken the quiz before, interesting diamond shape. However, (no > offense to Libertarians or to Larry) it reminds me of triangulation, in > which Clinton seemed to try to position himself. He was above either the > right or left: > > Clinton > / \ > Liberal Conservative > > A for them not to the right of the spectrum, I think Libertarians are. They > are not very liberal in most things, IMHO. ?? freedom, victimless crimes, markets as levelers and wealth creators? these are all classical liberal ideas. Again, the point of that spectrum is that current left liberals are OK on personal freedom (factoring out minor PCness) but lousy on economic. current right conservatives are are OK on economic freedom but lousy on personal. LFB is right, hitler and stalin are similar but it's not a 1D thing. They are similar because they both fall toward the bottom of the graph, having slid there from opposite corners. Clinton, evaluated by what he has DONE rather than said comes out somewhere near the boundary of moderate, left liberal area, down toward authoritarian land (cf some of his snooping proposals and use of FBI and IRS against enemies, Reno's murderous past and recent power grabs and a bunch of other stuff) I said hitler. I lose too. ++Lar

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		Re: Reagan... not exactly libertarian, but close
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes: "Ka-snip" (...) (freedom). (...) I profoundly disagree. It is liberals who are anti-freedom. Liberals are the ones trying to tax and regulate anything that moves. You are confusing freedom and (...) (25 years ago, 1-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Reagan... not exactly libertarian, but close
(...) They (...) these (...) Classic liberalism, yes. Current liberalism, no. The current definition is reflected in the LP quiz, where liberal is on the left, not the right. When I say liberal, it is on the left. When I say classical liberal, I (...) (25 years ago, 3-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Reagan... not exactly libertarian, but close
(...) need (...) I have taken the quiz before, interesting diamond shape. However, (no offense to Libertarians or to Larry) it reminds me of triangulation, in which Clinton seemed to try to position himself. He was above either the right or left: (...) (25 years ago, 1-Apr-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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