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Re: Reagan... not exactly libertarian, but close
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Mon, 3 Apr 2000 01:12:59 GMT
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> > I have taken the quiz before, interesting diamond shape. However, (no
> > offense to Libertarians or to Larry) it reminds me of triangulation, in
> > which Clinton seemed to try to position himself. He was above either the
> > right or left:
> >
> > Clinton
> > / \
> > Liberal Conservative
> >
> > A for them not to the right of the spectrum, I think Libertarians are. • They
> > are not very liberal in most things, IMHO.
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> ?? freedom, victimless crimes, markets as levelers and wealth creators? • these
> are all classical liberal ideas.
Classic liberalism, yes. Current liberalism, no. The current definition is
reflected in the LP quiz, where liberal is on the left, not the right. When
I say liberal, it is on the left. When I say classical liberal, I mean on
the right. Understand now, Larry? : )
> Again, the point of that spectrum is that current left liberals are OK on
> personal freedom (factoring out minor PCness) but lousy on economic. • current
> right conservatives are are OK on economic freedom but lousy on personal.
I don't remember most left-liberals wanting much in the way of any personal
freedom, outside of internet censorship. I don't think PCness is a minor
issue at all, like the article you mentioned from Reason. What personal
freedom issues are leftists for? We don't have to go down the right
conservative road again, do we?
> LFB is right, hitler and stalin are similar but it's not a 1D thing. They • are
> similar because they both fall toward the bottom of the graph, having slid
> there from opposite corners.
> Clinton, evaluated by what he has DONE rather than said comes out • somewhere
> near the boundary of moderate, left liberal area, down toward • authoritarian
> land (cf some of his snooping proposals and use of FBI and IRS against
> enemies, Reno's murderous past and recent power grabs and a bunch of other
> stuff)
Heh, I wonder where Hiliary would land. I am gunning for the very left on
everything, especially the let the village raise the children stance.
> I said hitler. I lose too.
Ha. I didn't! : )
Scott E. Sanburn
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