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(...) Please, let's be honest. WHO is making gay marriage an election issue? Who is driving this issue and pushing it to confrontation? JOHN (21 years ago, 8-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Huh? If he supports any Republican besides Bush, I'd give some creedance to this article. But the assertion that "Republicans" would vote for Kerry over Bush doesn't parse, and thus the "Anybody but Bush" is simply ignorant. JOHN (21 years ago, 8-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Despite being a big fan of Simon Hoggart’s parliamentary sketches, I am not so keen on his weekend column. However, I did enjoy this: (URL) Holy matrimony: the authorised version> As George Bush tries to make gay marriage a key election issue, a (...) (21 years ago, 7-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Republicans Who Support 'Anybody But Bush' (URL) lawbreaking attorney general (URL) (21 years ago, 5-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Tom Stangl, VFAQman" <talonts@vfaq.com> wrote in message news:40405999.BF54E7...faq.com... (...) truly (...) How many Electoral votes did Nader get? Those are the ones that really matter. I don't think he got "millions of votes". He only got (...) (21 years ago, 28-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) None of those got millions of votes last election. That level of votes truly *is* a vote for Bush. (...) Or to anyone that doesn't want Bush in power again, regardless of their party or non-party affiliation. (...) He should have been easy to (...) (21 years ago, 28-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Don Heyse" <dheyse@hotmail.spam....away.com> wrote in message news:HtrMwH.7KL@lugnet.com... (...) community (...) of (...) represent (...) then I (...) Many of my fellow employees are shareholders. They benefit when the company benefits. The (...) (21 years ago, 28-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Tom Stangl, VFAQman" <talonts@vfaq.com> wrote in message news:403FA430.A8B67C...faq.com... (...) really (...) haven't (...) a (...) vote (...) Yeah, and... ...a vote for the Libertarian candidate is a vote for Bush... ...a vote for the Socialist (...) (21 years ago, 27-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Taken from dictionary.com: "Muskets, rifles, carbines, and fowling pieces are smaller guns, for hand use, and are called small arms. Larger guns are called cannon, ordnance, fieldpieces, carronades, howitzers, etc. See these terms in the (...) (21 years ago, 27-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I think I disagree with this argument. Corporations represent their shareholders, not their employees. Would you complain if some other place goes beyond tax incentives and actually pays the company to relocate elsewhere, without you? The (...) (21 years ago, 27-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Don Heyse" <dheyse@hotmail.spam....away.com> wrote in message news:Htr6A9.1wy9@lugnet.com... (...) I think pork-barrel spending leads to corruption, but all hail the community so noble that they refuse to accept it. The lobbiests are at the root (...) (21 years ago, 27-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Mladen Pejic" <mladenpejic@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:Htnx0M.4Ex@lugnet.com... (...) by (...) (URL) This> is one of the articles I found using Google. (...) shaped-charge (...) thin (...) example (...) critical (...) Vietnam (...) could (...) (21 years ago, 27-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmm. This sounds just like what happened here in Scotland after Braveheart (another Mel Gibson film) was released. ;-) Scott A (21 years ago, 27-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) “Besieged” by whom? Jordan? Egypt? Lebanon? Syria? Israel is a regional superpower whose current position is in no small part due to it's belligerence, nationalism and greed for land. I have no respect for the IDF; it does not take courage to (...) (21 years ago, 27-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Get real. You're deluding yourself. A vote for Nader at this point is *a vote for Bush*. Keep voting indirectly for Bush. But don't whine if GWB gets reelected and continues hauling the US into a decline that may take decades to reverse. I (...) (21 years ago, 27-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hey, that reminds me of something I occasionally think about. Since all politicians are corrupt, but they're all we have to work with, what works best? Two parties that may both marginally represent an insignificant portion of your interests, (...) (21 years ago, 27-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Steven lane" <steveroblane@aol.com> wrote in message news:Htnw4x.23p8@lugnet.com... (...) just need (...) My apologies, I was responding to Scott A. (...) funding (...) from that (...) While heat seeking missiles can be countered with more complex (...) (21 years ago, 27-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Scott A" <dr_scott_arthur@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:HtJ8tJ.uAt@lugnet.com... (...) Kerry a "grass roots Democrat"? Whatever that means... (...) Camp (...) ...because it's all about revenge and unlawful imprisonment. Too bad they don't (...) (21 years ago, 27-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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The media has been doing a lot of talk lately since the opening of "The Passion of the Christ" but something happened to me the other day and am wondering if anyone else has seen this "more often than usual" since the film opened. I use public (...) (21 years ago, 27-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Tom Stangl, VFAQman" <talonts@vfaq.com> wrote in message news:4039AC44.FA1D7E...faq.com... (...) If you look at the two states where the Bush/Gore decision was narrow, you'll find that even if Nader hadn't run, the non-Dem non-Rep votes for fringe (...) (21 years ago, 27-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah. You're so right! Now let's drop this. Mladen (21 years ago, 25-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Please, enough blood has been spilled in that area that the blame game becomes irrelevant. I was simply referring to the performance of the Israelis during the numerous wars they had since Israel's statehood. For such a small group of men and (...) (21 years ago, 25-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) That's incredible. I found you reply equally laughable. Being immature isn't so hard to do. Eh? (seriously, what you typed was lame, but I forgive you) :-D (...) Listen, I live in Canada, and our military did not participate in Iraq. Whether (...) (21 years ago, 25-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Israel’s fine soldiers certainly do a good job shooting women & children. Do they get medals for that? (...) I'm not sure about their tanks, but know they lack "nukes". (...) Correct! We have nothing to prove. Scott A (21 years ago, 25-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) As Miguel suggests, I think you are just used to the biased reporting you get in the USA. The BBC Scott A (...) (21 years ago, 25-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) (URL) is one of the articles I found using Google. (...) I dunno what this is about. Sorry. :-( (...) Armoured is a poor word on my part. I should have saied protected. For example the Boeing claims that the "Apache" is resistant to 12.7mm (...) (21 years ago, 25-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) No I didn't, Neb, you've cleaned out all my words but not my name, you just need to be a bit more careful with the >'s. (...) And there's no such system as an RPG missile defence system, but apart from that I liked your post. Steve (21 years ago, 25-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I totally agree. Also, the British government recently employed Lord Hutton to chair an inquiry into the BBC's behaviour and came up with a complete whitewash of a report besmirching the BBC's good name. Steve (21 years ago, 25-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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"Mladen Pejic" <mladenpejic@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:HtLFG1.1nsJ@lugnet.com... (...) and (...) and (...) I'm not aware of any cases where military helicopters have been downed by handheld rifles and machine guns. The RPG's seem to work (...) (21 years ago, 24-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I was trying real hard not to post. But this is outright laughable. When you say that the BBC is/was biased, are you taking into account that pretty much throughout the whole recent war in Iraq a full ONE THIRD of the *American public* (...) (21 years ago, 25-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Again, you're missing the point. The "Comanche" is meant to fight in an electronic-warface environment against TANKS! Even before that, it is a reconnaissance helicopter... Meaning it tries to avoid engagements and simply watches the enemy. (...) (21 years ago, 25-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I know enough about the Commanche. It is stealthier, with a much reduced noise signature, it's also smaller. If it's less detectable and harder to hit then it's got to be better. And I did say it should be reworked for today's missons. (...) (...) (21 years ago, 25-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Marc Nelson, Jr. wrote: -snip- (...) Thanks for the link, I don't follow navy news as much as I should. I have a soft spot for submarines, mainly because I believe they are the "true" (nuclear) deterrent. However, with (...) (21 years ago, 25-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) snip (...) Good stuff. Hopefully Rumsfeld will cancel the F-22 as well. And why exactly do we need (URL) thirty new attack subs>? Thanks for the links about the XM-8. Marc Nelson Jr. (21 years ago, 25-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) No! Germany has no nukes. I got a little carried away. I just love their Leopord tanks. :-) (...) (21 years ago, 24-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur wrote: -snip- (...) I take that back actually. I am just cautious when I talk about the BBC. Come you, even you have to admit that their reporting of Gulf War II, and the fallout from it, was biased. (...) (21 years ago, 24-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Dude, do you even know anything about the "Comanche"? It is a scout/attack helicopter. The "Apache" and "Cobra" can both carry more weapons than it, and the "Kiowa" is still capable as a scout platform. Why waste more money on this clearly (...) (21 years ago, 24-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Given that Kerry is supposed to be a grass roots Democrat, I agree. If NR stands against the Democrats in marginal constituencies I hope Kerry puts him in Camp Delta (preferably in the same cell as Bush) when he wins ;-) Scott A (...) (21 years ago, 23-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) a cold war weapon. (...) What makes you say that? Scott A (21 years ago, 24-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) (URL) Bush 'bending science to his political needs'> ==+== The Bush administration is guilty of misrepresenting scientific knowledge and misleading the public, a group of America's most senior scientists claimed yesterday. They said the (...) (21 years ago, 23-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) So isn't now the perfect time for a more stealthy chopper? I think the misson requirements could be re-orientated toward todays needs but I don't think the whole program needs to be scrapped. (...) Were'nt large parts of both gulf wars (...) (21 years ago, 24-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Once again, Ralph Nader is shooting for the impossible, and once again (hopefully NOT, this time, as people will remember last time), he will take votes from the Dems, possibly putting GWB back into office. Sometimes I wonder if he's on GWB's (...) (21 years ago, 23-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hey all, just thought I would post a link to two reports that I just found. Currious what kinda of debate could grow from them: (URL) (21 years ago, 23-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (Sorry for the spelling error...) (21 years ago, 19-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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FUT: lugnet.off-topic.debate "Matthew Miller" <mattdm@mattdm.org> wrote in message news:slrnc385ha.8ka.....bu.edu... (...) good (...) It's a little silly to say "Simply have all users convince their ISP to change their email infrastructure". I'll (...) (21 years ago, 19-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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What is a box? Seems like a simple question, so it outh to have a simple answer... Let's start with a basic definition -- a box is a rectangular solid; that is, a three-dimensional object having six sides (or "faces"), each of which is a rectangle. (...) (21 years ago, 19-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Agreed. (URL) HERE> is another, acknowledging your very concern;-) JOHN (21 years ago, 18-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Watch out, purists--another clone-fan is on the scene. One Matthew Aaron Schuler made his debut at 12:34PM ET on Feb 9. Mom, Dad, and son are super-groovy, I'm happy to report. If you're interested, pictures will follow tomorrow, so that all (...) (21 years ago, 18-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people)
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(...) I'm not sure which parts of LUGNET you've been reading, but a number of us are passingly familiar with the correct usage of moot. (URL) Here> is part of one of many discussions about that very word (at least, a discussion of one of its (...) (21 years ago, 18-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I don't know that I'd tease him mercilessly about it, but it just seems, well, incongruous (a word I shouldn't be using in chatting with the majority of the American population perhaps ;-). Can it be true that its a relatively small proportion (...) (21 years ago, 13-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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This one from the past came to mind: (URL) (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I don't know. What was his "kill rate" before the war? How many women & children did he kill in the run up to that war? (...) Rumsfeld: "We know where they are." As an aside, the whole country does not have to be checked; pre-war, SH did not (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I've heard it said that his choppy speech actually makes him more popular. Yeah, sure he gets teased mercilessly by people with a well-refined vocabulary, but that's a relatively small portion of the US population. The rest are in the same (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) How long do you think it would have taken Hussein & Sons to kill that many if they'd been left in power? Anyways, the US was directly responsible for putting Saddam in charge of Iraq those many years ago. Quite frankly, it worries me that the (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Dudes, Heard chunks of his broadcast address on this today (complete with the audio test tones playing over the first ten minutes). There is a summary of it (URL) here>. It would be a lot easier to take him seriously if he could say the word (...) (21 years ago, 11-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Because it is ultimately their prerrogative. You are aware of that basic notion of sovereignty, aren't you? (...) That is their problem. As a non iraqi, you have no vote on the matter - do you? (...) That is your problem, granted. But it's up (...) (21 years ago, 11-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Smell the coffee John; time is telling as we speak! (...) I was wrong in a way; it looks like he did not have WMD. I feel he would have used them if he had them. (...) Show me the link with OBL. (...) He could not even police his own country! (...) (21 years ago, 11-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) 4 Points: I'd say the Palestinians are on the receiving end of "terrorism” more than the USA is. I'd say that not all the attacks on Israel are "terrorism". I'd say there is not a lot of evidence in the public domain to show that the USA is a (...) (21 years ago, 11-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'm not clear what Mr Kelly’s politics are, but he does have my respect. I'm no fan of the Vietnam War (nether was he), but he did serve his country with considerable distinction; both "in country" and in sharing his opinions & experiences (...) (21 years ago, 11-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You may think he's a liar, but I don't, so on that issue we may have to agree to disagree. Now as far as incompetency goes, I say this. Bush could only make a decision based on the "facts" given to him. But given SH's history, and the (...) (21 years ago, 11-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) That still only takes up back to the he's an incompetent or liar question, and saying the answer is incompetent still means he shouldn't be president. (...) What terrorists were going to destablize his neighbors? They would have gone for Iraq (...) (21 years ago, 11-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) To be honest, so am I. The tax cut was good. The dissolution of the IRS would be terrific. But I think we are seeing the pitfalls of a guy who is known for compromising and getting along. But voting Democrat??? How in the world would you ever (...) (21 years ago, 11-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) (talking about Iraq here) It's not that they can't, it's why would they? It costs billions of dollars for such a venture, where the oppotunity cost may never be made up. Unless there is something else about the nuclear plant that one is (...) (21 years ago, 11-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) G H W "I never met a spending bill I didn't like" Bush is the renegade Republican, my friend. USD 500B deficits as far as the eye can see, more government, more spending on social welfare programs, more intrusions into people's private lives, (...) (21 years ago, 11-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, okay. Bush believed SH possessed them and was fully willing and able to share them with his aquaintances at any time. Interesting question: Did SH know that he didn't have WMDs? Was he deceived by his own scientists? (...) Not so sure. A (...) (21 years ago, 11-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You'll have to quote me some source for that sequence of events - it sounds like the Official Saddam Version. And yes, even if that's the real undisputed sequence (which I'll bluntly say that I doubt), he'd still do it in a heartbeat. (...) (...) (21 years ago, 11-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I doubt it. After we back-stabbed him like that? He came to us and asked permission to invade Kuwait. We told him officially, and on the record, that we had no opinion on his minor border dispute. As soon as he committed we mobilized and (...) (21 years ago, 11-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) As I said, splitting hairs. The indication was that Saddam had WoMD and was going to either use them himself or hand them out like candy to Islamic extremists (who would only to be happy to use them on Saddam, given half a chance). (...) He (...) (21 years ago, 10-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) It probably would, but that's not what draws my attention in your post: Exactly why can't a nation with oil resources seek nuclear capabilities? (...) Then why did your country require inspections in the first place? That is, if they were so (...) (21 years ago, 10-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I disagree in this sense: I believe what Bush meant was that, given time, the inevitable proliferation of WMDs to terrorists by SH was bound to occur, just not "imminently". If SH already had the weapons, then an attack could have happened at (...) (21 years ago, 10-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) That's splitting hairs: "Grave and gathering" "Urgent". Bush is doing the Texas Two-Step. But on the other count, yes, Bush indicated that Saddam was to be removed from power - specifically because of the WoMD. Can't find any WoMD so now it's (...) (21 years ago, 10-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I don't have time to research it, but you are dead wrong on both counts. He called for Saddam to step down, and never used the term imminent threat. (...) Please, at this point nobody knows the "truth". For all we know, the WMDs could have (...) (21 years ago, 10-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Believe what you want. Time will certainly tell. (...) Well, some did. How can you be certain that you would have been right? (...) Facts? What "facts"? The facts are that he had them in the past, he had the willingness to use them, and he was (...) (21 years ago, 10-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'd say the 'capable of attacking within 45 minutes' was imminent enough. (...) Show me before the war where he said that? You know Dubya, et al. mentioned the imminent threat of Iraq many times over, but I don't recall anyone saying that the (...) (21 years ago, 10-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) That's not quite the whole story. He wanted SH removed and replaced with a pro-US stooge. The people of Iraq are going against the plot... they are asking for democracy! (...) Because of the agenda set by Washinton & London. Even I thought he (...) (21 years ago, 10-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) (URL) I suppose they can...> ROSCO (21 years ago, 10-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Neither. But the results are the same aren't they? JOHN (21 years ago, 9-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Would you prefer your child to be wrongly executed by a court or murdered by some psycho? Chris (21 years ago, 9-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You need to understand what "Democracy" means. (...) It is not only "Islamic extremists" who oppose what Israel is doing. (...) Yep, it's a (URL) f> (URL) a> (URL) c> (URL) t>. (...) You are in denial. Scott A (...) (21 years ago, 9-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) It is hard for me to see how prison could be zero cost. Criminals tend to on the dim side and have low earning potential. How could one motivate them to work without rewarding them with (say) cable TV? In the UK, the cost of keeping a man (...) (21 years ago, 9-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) money, (...) their (...) work? (...) Hmm, I might still let them have slop... I would offer a variety of incentives. I don't see a problem with prisoners who are on their way to rehabilitation having access to TV and such. In fact, if they are (...) (21 years ago, 9-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"lester Witter" <witter@erim-int.com> wrote in message news:HstoCt.1xzx@lugnet.com... (...) story (...) that if (...) would (...) man was (...) This is definitely a concern. I think I would be concerned even if it was done in such a way as to not be (...) (21 years ago, 9-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) releases a (...) the (...) You're speaking as if the only alternative to the death penalty is letting people free. If you can show me with reasonable certainty that a given person is a danger to society, then I am willing to put them in prison (...) (21 years ago, 9-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Didn't say that. In fact I do think there is culpability, if it can be shown that the state did not do its job in prosecuting the case. I can see the basis for a civil suit by the second victims against the cops that failed to properly (...) (21 years ago, 9-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) So you think that the state isn't in any way culpable for the murder of an innocent by a murderer who has been set free? (21 years ago, 9-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You want the state to do it, that's the difference. (21 years ago, 9-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I fixed it, there is something there now if you click that ersatz link. :-) (21 years ago, 9-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Lester Witter wrote: <snip> (...) It was also used in "Lexx" the miniseries... THough in that series, iirc, almost any offence got you put up on the slab to be parsed (even being late for work!), and, again iirc, much (...) (21 years ago, 9-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Several, actually... you and I were posting at about the same time and I gave some suggestions for finding them. (...) There IS that tiny downside, yes. Hence another reason to oppose the death penalty. (21 years ago, 9-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) My whole point is so what? An innocent get killed. Your idea releases a killer and he kills again. Both result in an innocent killed. What's the difference? (...) What were you saying about torture? On second thought; maybe we have a win-win (...) (21 years ago, 9-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Hey, keep those puns in specified areas! (good one:-) JOHN (21 years ago, 9-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) The idea of using desth row prisoners as "parts" was explored in a SciFi story by Larry Niven (can't remeber the name). The hypothesis of his story was that if the condemed were used for parts, then over time, more and more crimes would become (...) (21 years ago, 9-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Not my original idea. Try googling using Niven and Corpsicle as search terms... also try Gil Hamilton, ARM and Patchwork Girl. Note that it's not Niven's original idea either, I don't think. (at least the frozen corpse part of it anyway) (...) (...) (21 years ago, 9-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You're right, it's not. A 3 time drug "abuser" hasn't necessarily committed any actual crime at all, so shouldn't be in jail for his/her "crime". I'm glad to see you've decided to come to the side of the angels and oppose the war on drugs, at (...) (21 years ago, 9-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Wow, this is an interesting idea. Maybe this is what was meant by "an eye for an eye..." Part out the death row inmates to save other lives. Something King Solomon would appreciate, I'm sure. - Chris. (21 years ago, 9-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Why? I would have thought all you Cons (of one ilk or another) stuck together anyway. ;-) -->Bruce<-- (21 years ago, 9-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) HA, don't let the Libs hear you say that;-) (...) But herein lies the rub. Does the punishment fit the crime? A 3 time drug abuser can get about the same length sentence (depending upon the ages of the criminals-- hey, life is only so long). (...) (21 years ago, 9-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I see no reason for cable TV or conjugal visits. Life in prison sounds about right though. (I beleive you asked this already) Note, again, my assertion that prisons need to be structured so that they do not cost the state money, but rather, (...) (21 years ago, 9-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) A civil war. JOHN (21 years ago, 9-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) By merit of being a Democracy alone Israel deserves our support. While I agree that in an ideal world we wouldn't have to support Israel monetarily as we currently do, to actually withdraw support would be a very bad signal to send to Islamic (...) (21 years ago, 9-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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