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Re: To change the tune...
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Tue, 10 Feb 2004 12:36:27 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys wrote:
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What I thought: nowhere did he ever use the term “imminent”.
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Dubya *wanted* to invade Iraq--pure and simple. It wasn’t the intelligence
community that was mistaken, it was the administration.
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The meaning of your non-sequitur eludes me. What Bush wanted was Saddam
Hussein removed from power, period.
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That’s not quite the whole story. He wanted SH removed and replaced with a
pro-US stooge. The people of Iraq are going against the plot... they are asking
for democracy!
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You can point out that France, Germany, Russia, and everyone else may have
thought that Saddam may have had WoMD, but these countries also didn’t go to
war--they were letting Blix do the job that he was suppose to do. It wasn’t
Saddam who kicked Blix out of the country--it was Dubya.
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“Everyone else may have thought that Saddam may have had WMD”??? There
was never a doubt in anyone’s mind!
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Because of the agenda set by Washinton & London. Even I thought he had WMD... I
just did not think he posed a threat.
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They may have thought that he’d
never give them to terrorists or never use them, but please!
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That is where the facts pointed. The war has not disproved that.
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Further, SH was
leading Blix around the country like a monkey on a leash. It was a freakin’
game to him.
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Blix is about the only person who still has credibility on this issue. Bush and
Blair are back peddling like mad right now.
I think it’s clear that it’s Blair & Bush that have been playing games.
Get out of your panic room John, the whole thing has been a giant hoax.
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No one was turning a ‘bline eye’ to Saddam, no one was giving him a free
ticket to develop these non-existant programs.
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Certainly not the Israelis, who probably did more to save the world from a
nuclear terrorist attack than we did by bombing SH’s nuclear facility Osiraq
in ‘81.
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At the time Iran had just bombed it and Iraq was 10+ years away from getting a
bomb. Furthermore, as a friend of “the West”, SH was cooperating fully with IAEA
inspectors (something that Israel has never done). Begin only bombed it to help
with an upcoming election.
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So if there was no war, where would we be today? Instead of the US
inspection team coming back after finding nothing, and after the deaths of
hundreds of soldiers and thousands of civilians, and the wanton destruction
of cities, Blix would have come back after finding nothing, with no deaths
or destruction.
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Except for the usual, brutal killing of civilians by the 1,000s at the hands
of SH’s regime.
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Haliburton? Funny you should mention that...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A21186-2004Jan15¬Found=true
‘Tis absolutely amazing how every plan that Dubya makes seems to have the
potential to send more money into the coffers of that company.
http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/04/01/con04020.html
Funny that.
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And sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, Dr Freud.
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The good news is that we have a
splendid opportunity to assist a great nation become democratic and free.
God knows what disasterous future we averted by deposing SH-- we can only
confront evil when we see it and act accordingly. If nothing else, the
example of SH is a beacon of warning to current tin-pot dictators around
the world who respect nothing but power-- the stakes are high and we aren’t
just whistlin’ Dixie...
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Yeah, if you look at the US the wrong way, they’ll come over and ‘kick yer
henie’. Good example.
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If you look at us the wrong way waving a nuke or other WMD that is...
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lol. That does not explain North Korea. Nor dose it explain Saudi Arabia!
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“We can only confront evil when we see it and act accordingly”?
What ‘evil’ was there in Iraq in 2003 that you had this overwhelming need to
confront? It must’ve been a clear and imminent danger. Where was it? No
one can find it. Imagine that.
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We found it. It was cowering in a hole. It was Saddam Hussein. Imagine
that.
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30,000+ dead to get one man. I don’t know how Bush sleeps at night.
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And again you state that getting rid of Saddam was the good thing. And
again I will reiterate--since when does the ends justify the means? The
means, I may add, which include, but are not limited to, the deaths of
thousands of people, the destruction of property, the expenditure of
billions of dollars and the lowering of the worlds opionon with regard to
the integrity and honour of the US administraition.
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What was the cost of the terrorist attack on 9-11?
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Nothing compared to the cost of the War on Terror.
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What would be the cost of
a nuclear terrorist attack in a major US city?
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Tell me what the probability is first. Then tell me what would the cost of
lowering that probability be? Is upsetting the US pro-Israeli lobby too much of
a price to pay?
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As I mentioned before, if you want to play the numbers game-- I win, because
more Iraqis lost their lives to torture and murder continuously at the hands
of SH than died in the war.
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- 911: ~3000 dead
- Afghanistan: 3000 civillians dead, opium production condoned by Nato and a country in chaos.
- Iraq: ~30,000+ dead & a country in chaos.
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And look at Iraq today-- emancipated, and full
of hope for a bright future. Her only fear being that the US and the world
leaves before she can find her feet.
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I think many fear that the US will not leave!
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As far as the world popularity contest goes, I hold no illusions. We will be
vilified regardless of what we do.
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That is not true. Think back to how the US involvement in the Balkans & Somalia
was received internationally. It only turned sour when things went wrong on the
ground.
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Best to do what is right for us, for
usually that is best for the world as well anyway.
Spreading Democracy and Freedom are noble tasks, and make the world a better
place. BTW, name for me 1 war in the history or the world between 2
Democracies....
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- 1775 US (and France) v Great Britain
- 1991 Croatia v Yugoslavia
- 1978 Israel v Lebanon
Scott A
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| (...) Believe what you want. Time will certainly tell. (...) Well, some did. How can you be certain that you would have been right? (...) Facts? What "facts"? The facts are that he had them in the past, he had the willingness to use them, and he was (...) (20 years ago, 10-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys wrote: (snipped quotations) What I thought: nowhere did he ever use the term "imminent". (...) The meaning of your non-sequitur eludes me. What Bush wanted was Saddam Hussein removed from power, period. (...) (...) (20 years ago, 8-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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