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Re: To change the tune...
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Tue, 10 Feb 2004 16:00:08 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys wrote:
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Show me before the war where he said that? You know Dubya, et al. mentioned
the imminent threat of Iraq many times over, but I don’t recall anyone saying
*specifically* that the US was in it just to get Saddam. WoMD, drones and
planes capable of dispersing agents on US soil, Nuclear facilities, but no
mention of removing Saddam from power, period.
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I don’t have time to research it, but you are dead wrong on both counts. He
called for Saddam to step down, and never used the term imminent threat.
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That’s one way of looking at it. Then there’s the truth which showed us that
the UN inspectors should have been given all relevant info, but wait!
There’s Colin Powell at the UN showing all these slides ‘n such of supposed
‘bad activity’ of the Iraqis, but the US administration wouldn’t give any of
that info to the inspectors. So who was playing a game here? Who was
dangling that proverbial carrot in front of the inspection team? The carrot,
I will remind you, turned out to be completely proverbial--having no actual
factual basis at all. Love how the truth gets out, no matter how much you
try to obfuscate it.
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Please, at this point nobody knows the “truth”. For all we know, the WMDs
could have existed and were wisked away to Syria. Many questions remain.
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It’s your interpretation of what’s good for yourself, and the rest of the
world, which scares me.
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Deal with it. We are bigger than you, we are a target, and we want to protect
ourselves in any way we deem necessary.
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No one was turning a ‘bline eye’ to Saddam, no one was giving him a free
ticket to develop these non-existant programs.
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Certainly not the Israelis, who probably did more to save the world from a
nuclear terrorist attack than we did by bombing SH’s nuclear facility Osiraq
in ‘81.
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ANd the Gulf war in ‘91--does that give you the right to invade in ‘03? Stop
rationalizing this unjust war with past grievances. Show how the war in ‘03
was justified in any way, shape or form.
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How about the liberation of the Iraqis from the brutal dictatorship of SH?
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Except for the usual, brutal killing of civilians by the 1,000s at the hands
of SH’s regime.
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Again, that was when SH was your (the US) ‘puppet’ in Iraq and yet you didn’t
invade then. Hypocricy. Show in ‘03 how you justify the invasion.
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He was never our puppet. We supported him against Iran, but that was
analygous to supporting the monster Stalin against Hitler. There is no
hyprocrisy there (look up the word hyprocrisy, BTW).
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Nice. The megacorp makes all the money on this fiasco, and a ‘cigar is just
a cigar’.
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Who else does what they do? Would you rather the contract go to some mom and
pop store? They got it because they are the only ones who do that sort of
thing.
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Read SA post on this--he said it better than I could.
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Already responded to him, and don’t sell yourself short-- he’s nuttier than you
are:-)
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We found it. It was cowering in a hole. It was Saddam Hussein. Imagine
that.
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You used a bunch of lies and deceit to get him, killing thousands along the
way and spending billions. Imagine that.
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What lies? What deceit? Failed intelligence is neither. It was worth it, and
the world is a better place for it.
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And again you state that getting rid of Saddam was the good thing. And
again I will reiterate--since when does the ends justify the means? The
means, I may add, which include, but are not limited to, the deaths of
thousands of people, the destruction of property, the expenditure of
billions of dollars and the lowering of the worlds opionon with regard to
the integrity and honour of the US administraition.
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What was the cost of the terrorist attack on 9-11? What would be the cost
of a nuclear terrorist attack in a major US city?
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So again you use 9/11 to justify Iraq. How many Iraqis were among the
hijackers? How many Saudis? Please.
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Good point. How many Iraqis are resisting in Iraq, and how many imported
Islamo-Facists are there trying to destroy their country?
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First, Iraq, as demonstrated, wasn’t good for you. You’ve wasted billions,
you’ve lost all credibility on the world political stage, and you’ve made it
so much easier for terrorist organizations to recruit. I mean, who isn’t
pissed at the US right now?
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Israel
Iraq
Poland
Monaco ? :-)
Dude you have no idea. The deposition of SH was a huge message to tinpot
dictators around the world-- namely that we have the fortitude and the
strength to come and take them out anytime they misbehave. Hate us? Fine.
Just don’t get any ideas of acting on that hatred, or you will be sorry.
As far as recruiting goes; please! We are kicking terrorist ass! That is
disheartening for recruiters and would be terrorists! These scum only
understand power; if anything we have commanded their respect.
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And don’t go saying what’s good for the US is
good for the world--your new environmental protection reductions, for a
start, isn’t good for the world at all. Arrogance, stupidity and hypocricy
all in one package. How efficient of you (1) (not you, John, but the US
administration and those that wholeheartedly support them).
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You keep using that word. I don’t think it means what you think it means....
JOHN
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| (...) That's splitting hairs: "Grave and gathering" "Urgent". Bush is doing the Texas Two-Step. But on the other count, yes, Bush indicated that Saddam was to be removed from power - specifically because of the WoMD. Can't find any WoMD so now it's (...) (21 years ago, 10-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) I'd say the 'capable of attacking within 45 minutes' was imminent enough. (...) Show me before the war where he said that? You know Dubya, et al. mentioned the imminent threat of Iraq many times over, but I don't recall anyone saying that the (...) (21 years ago, 10-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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