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I have to put in my vote for David Weber for Military SF. -- Overkill is the only sure kill. SR "Larry Pieniazek" <lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote in message news:GGp2GL.4q8@lugnet.com... (...) hoped (...) (24 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Jason J. Railton" <j.j.railton@cwcom.net> wrote in message news:GGo98I.DA5@lugnet.com... <snip> (...) sue) toy (...) with video (...) hold of (...) firearm, so (...) 'sporting (...) I am worried about what is in the 'sporting goods' section. There (...) (24 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "That so-and-so understands the constitution better than you do and therefore would make a better Member of Congress ??? ":-) Ya, that sort of posturing makes me ill. Kind of like the guys who rail against pork but are first at the trough for (...) (24 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Right, whereas I thought he just pulled out the ending without giving any hint that it was going to play out that way. I don't want to spoil too much so won't be more specific. (...) I'm of the opposite view, I see _Fire_ as his best by far. (...) (24 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I support clarifying the meaning. Maybe the best way is to compose several alternative replacements that have different meanings (but all of which are clear in *what* they mean) and see which one survives the process. I'd actively work to (...) (24 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You're right, I did miss most of the thread. A thousand pardons Sahib! But I did see that comment by Chris. I was reacting to the word carnage in my comments above. Although, I do think the world would be safer if more responsible citizens (...) (24 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Would you support a rewording that was in opposition to your interpretation of the amendment and to your interpretation of the original authors' intent? (Assuming, of course, that any rewording was accomplished through legal and proper (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, for one thing, "commerce" included the sale of human beings, so while "commerce" still meant "trade in goods and/or services," the application of that word was materially different. Similarly, "interstate" transactions completed today in (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Agreed. Moreover, superfluous legislation of this sort serves only to provide members of Congress with public relations fodder, a la "I voted to protect Our Nation's Flag, so-and-so did not--what does that tell you?" I concur with you and (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmm. I didn't see that. I thought that he did a good job of plausibly giving Pham appropriate advantages in order to allow him to cleverly win. Actually, I think it was his best work yet. Because Star Wars was so much better than what had come (...) (24 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Um, she'd be a mistress. :-) <GD&R> ... actually I understand that Vernor made an honest woman(1) of her for some while but they parted friends. 1 - you know, that phrase just bugs me, it seems wrong somehow. Seems to devalue love for (...) (24 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) He's surely up there. However his latest wasn't quite as good as I'd hoped (it seemed to end rather implausibly after a setup for apparent invincibility by the villians). Here's hoping we never have an Emergency here. (24 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's a rare talent... fortunately. Some authors are born to mediocrity, some acquire it in old age, and some have it thrust upon them (1). Fortunately a few lose it, too. 1 - success sometimes seems to do this... I like Orson Scott Card a LOT (...) (24 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Did you mean "he" my friend, or "he" the author? Either way, you were right, except that this particular friend was a woman. (...) I think I finished the first two books and had to politely excuse myself from the series when Beth tried to (...) (24 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Guys I like to mind my own business but I have to say something. I, like you Eric, am not taking sides. I have to say Nick I felt your anger when I read Mladen's response to a very simple question. You saw that there was a relation with the mecha (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I've never actually read much MZB that wasn't a short story, and I've never had strong feelings about her one way or the other. I haven't read any Darkover, because I hate coming into the middle of a story or setting, and I've never had (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I read all the Darkover books as a kid. My tastes have refined considerably since then and when I tried to read a more recent one as a young adult (19-21 or so) I just couldn't do it. It was disappointing. (...) I think the key here is (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (URL) (...) the (...) whole (...) the (...) popular (...) which (...) clearly (...) place (...) is (...) or (...) ask for their papers, and went back when they refused to show. I can't see any problem here. Maybe you just can't imagine in your (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snip> (...) Terry Brooks should stop pretending to write good fiction, acknowledge that he writes marginal formula at best, and run with it. I don't mind some of his stuff, I just hate that some people are fooled into thinking it's quality (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I knew I shouldn't have mentioned that. I haven't read any of her other books but I knew she was noted for writing things from "a women's perspective". Which I don't have a problem with - at least normally. The book starts interestingly enough (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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And before the zealots start screaming, note that Larry stated libertarianism (SMALL l) is on the rise, not Libertarianism. Big difference, as has been noted before. (...) -- | Tom Stangl, iPlanet Web Server Technical Support | Netscape (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Tell me more?? I know there are a number of people that like her work but I found it, well, not that accessible and not that engaging. (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't think things have got quite to the point of needing to burn the flag just yet. I see it as such a disrespectful statement that it's only one small step from armed rebellion. The excesses and oppressions of our government haven't yet (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes: <<We are all a part of the militia and to be so without weaponry is foolish and irresponsible. Americans have not only a right to bear arms, but in my opinion a responsibility so that they are (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, you won't catch me defending the later politics of one A. Hamilton, but we also have Madison's Notes on the Convention, don't we? (URL) you can find The Federalist at: (URL) Hop-Frog (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I do not feel that it is right to burn the flag. It may be more of an emotional attachment to a symbol than anything. Many people have fought and died for the principles that the flag (in it's various designs throughout history) stands for. I (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Whereas it is not my usual style to burn anyone's flag (it's just cheap theatrics) perhaps the best way to voice my opinion on this would be to go out and burn a flag. Okay, I'd probably just burn a copy of the proposed law, but I think it's (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) protected by the first amendment. Such an action demonstrates distress and outrage more concisely and more stridently than can any written manifesto. The right to express one's feelings about the government is a key right of the citizens of (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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We must also remember that the PROPER way to dispose of the American flag is to burn it, not throw it away. I think people that burn it in protest are slime (if they think so little of the US and are citizens, LEAVE!), but I think they have the (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Carried out in a safe, non polluting manner, on property that is controlled by someone granting permission and using a flag legitimately purchased, burning the flag is protected free speech. It's not a statement *I* would care to make but it's (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Stirring the waters a bit here... I'm not sure what I think of the proposed amendment. I'm all for free speech, but I think that burning the flag is wrong too. Is there middle ground somewhere where I could find some footing? What do you think? (URL) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Do tell... I'm rather at a loss on how there is a difference in the meanings of such fundamental terms. Rather, this was a deliberate misconstruing, done knowingly by Congress. Kind of like how Michigan's Right to Carry law was made referendum (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Scott, Just so you know that Larry's not just being rude because of your...special...relationship, I have no idea what you're saying either. I think that I've put the words individually all back together, but I still just don't know what you (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, it does not imply either of those things. I'm shocked, just shocked, that you would not be able to read my words and derive the clear meaning they contain. But oh well. The constitution suffers from lack of clarity in many places, (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This one is so riddled with typos I can't make it out. Would you please repeat the question, this time carefully checking for correctness? Thanks. (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Bodie, California would certainly count (the popular observation of the times: "Goodbye God, I'm going to Bodie"). I mean, one could hardly call Mormon Central (Utah) the "wild" west for example (oops, just peered at the next sentence...you (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I was trying to skip right to the meat of the matter. Not trying to avoid it. (...) Maybe. That certainly isn't a given. For one thing, statistics often are compiled such that they attempt to represent under reported aspects. Since the statute (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If such a majority exists, then they should have the ability to amend the constitution. I encourage their right to do so. And I don't fear it because I don't think it can happen. And if it does, I may well chose to break the law. I am nobody's (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I note you skipped the part about the morons firing into the air not getting into the stats. :-) And those instances you mention weren't reported and so weren't part of the stats, either. Bruce (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It could be. Democracy doesn't depend on a constitution per se. However, the US has a constitution that is supposed to be the prime law of the land. All other rules are subordinate and inferior to the constitution and rules that conflict with (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh...you mean the other reference was to people under 21 or something and you'd rather be looking at only the younger ones. Gotcha! (...) the (...) better). (...) Well, if I had the stats to know, I'd post them. So I don't know. I suspect you (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Idunno, a film that actually admitted that a cannon shot essentially an iron bowling ball can't be all bad... Bruce (okay, so I skip the over-wrought story on the DVD player) :-) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is another example in which it's useful to recall the context of the 18th century vs. the context of today. "Interstate" and "commerce" had strikingly different meanings back then, I suspect, or at least strikingly different applications. (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What would you use as criteria for testing? (...) Governing *who* is allowed to own a firearm is different than governing *how* a firearm is stored. How are inspections conducted? Are they random, or planned? Does the governement need (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) My understanding is that some places and some times were peacable for the most part. What counts as the wild west? I'm reading books written by J.D. Fitzgerald about his life in southern Utah prior to the turn of the 20th century. Some of the (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Does this not imply that you feel that the founders could not be wrong in any way, and that their intentions are 100% clear? Scott A (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Perhaps. But the majority in the US does want more gun control. Scott A (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) They don't scare me. Should they? (...) Or maybe I am not. Maybe I work for BATF? (...) Is democracy unconstitutional? (...) I am. That is what happened in all 3 places. Scott A (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Do you think the could conciev how powerful democarcy would come. How everyone (more or less) would be able to vote? Or do you think they had events like the French revolution in mind? Scott A (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I shall try again: I was thinking more about the real kids that were killed with guns - ie those who were under 16. (...) Why? Do you think I am wrong? Scott A (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Test them in some way. Inspect how the store their guns (this happens in the UK). Scott A (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't. Because "used illegally" is a misnomer. When I was a teen, I knew kids (several) who carried guns daily. Those were all guns used illegally. And none of them were a problem. The problem only comes from people committing other crimes (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I've certainly read a number of instances where this is true - but in Victorian times in England, people would tackle criminals, too, with neither side armed with guns. It may be more a function of the times. But then again, maybe it means the (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, for a start, if he really was a 'patriot', he'd have been on our side! (or Native American) You can't be a patriot if you don't have a country yet. Jason J Railton (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) judiciary's stance. I don't have any problem with the reporter's work, if that's what you mean. I think that the court has been cowardly in not embracing the obviously correct meaning of the second amendment. I suspect that they wish not to (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As I mentioned in another message, my wife's cousin was shot and killed under just such circumstances. So I can't agree that it's funny (I know that's not how you meant it). Anyway, you statement doesn't change mine - I'm not talking about any (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'd welcome a straightforward proposal of amendments and an honest debate. What gets up my nose is the chinese water torture we've seen lately in which the constitution has been suborned one step at a time by "activist" judges. I support (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. I however, would urge and support a ban on weapons of mass destruction. Chris (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think you missed the path of the discussion - my comment was based on an earlier one that said everything would be peaceful and wonderful if *EVERYONE* walked around with a gun. Now, as to your statement, I take it you have never had a gun (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) How do you diagnose, let alone enforce that? (...) -Duane (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes. And that's a good thing. The way it's supposed to work is that our states are almost individual nations. loosely federated for the purpose of administration and holding to constitutional edicts. The fact that states (and the federal (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It depends on how you define win. There isn't any point in dying for nothing. There are situations in which dying is worthwhile. But not when it's just pointless. If you could defend person X from a wrong, but would be killed, or you could go (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes. It does. Several. (...) I should, and I do. And there are many others like me. Chris (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What's that supposed to mean? (...) OK, show me. Find the numbers of violent deaths of children for the US and the UK and compare them. I'm not that interested in the number of gun deaths, because dying from a bullet is no worse than being (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Just the largest and scariest. (...) Or maybe you're wrong and argumentative for no purpose. (...) He doesn't. I don't. No one does...not in a visceral ever-present way. But when you look at their ability and willingness to forego reasonable (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think that we can assume authorial intent on this one Dave! Since the text wouldn't mean anything if there was no way to get the arms, I assume that the broader picture of gun availability is protected too. However, I agree that this is (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It wasn't a bad film--it would have been a bad history text, if it had aspired to be a history text at all. As a piece of fiction, it was quite effective. Now The Patriot--*that* was a bad film. Dave! (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, absolutely, and I don't think that's any misinterpretation. Quoting from the opening of the Declaration of Independence: (...) I think it's pretty clear that the founding fathers recognized that governments can and will become so corrupt (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Interesting. So what is your take on this: (URL) A (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Even tanks? Even fighter jets? Even chemical weapons? Even ICBM's? Scott A (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) A fair enough analysis, but I don't feel it provides a good excuse in the long run. The example is there (i.e. the notion is not naive), the rest is a matter of logisitics (though a monstrously sizeable one, as you note). But then again, (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Wasn't the original reason Lego did not release the Guarded Inn in the States that it 'promotes drinking' ;) Maybe the inclusion of this minifig head is to show kids the dangers drinking can bring :D (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) One does not need guns do defend rights. Most of Europe does not have guns under their beds but we are still here. I feel safe that HM Gov is not about to oppress me. Even though you have the right to own a gun, you still fear what your (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'd handle that by not giving idiots guns. Scott A (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) One should intervene if it is the right thing to do, irrespective of what the outcome may be(1). To say otherwise, suggests you would only use your gun to defend against "tyranny" if you thought you'd win. How weak is that? Scott A I shall (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I wondered about this too. Do laws really vary that much state-by-state? Just wondering. Scott A (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Some are just have-a-go heroes who do not know when to stop: (URL) others are good: (URL) A (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Your constitution is 100's of years old. Perhaps it needs to be updated. Perhaps it needs a few more amendments (...) Perhaps you should not view it in those terms. Scott A (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I was think more about the real kids that were killed with guns. But if we use your stats. Compare them with the UK figures like you did before. I have a hunch the death rate in the USA will be 100 times higher than in the UK? Like I said (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In your world is the BATF your worst enemy? Is that why you keep a gun under your bed? I expect you are either breaking the law, paranoid or live in a country with zero crime. Which is it? Why do you fear the BATF so much? Because they tackled (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You've correctly identified the problem--everyone in that scenario can be held responsible except the shootist and (in the case of a child shootist) the shootist's parents. (...) That is indeed a problem. If a cop (or civilian) has a real (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Of course not. But the point is you can then blame (and attempt to sue) toy manufacturers for the violent tendencies in your own kids. Along with video manufacturers, TV networks, the funny-looking guy next door et al. There's also the problem (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah, that's never made much sense to me, either. Toy guns have been available and popular for many decades, so why are they all of a sudden responsible for violence? Toy bricks do not turn kids into real-world bricklayers... Dave! (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's an interesting perspective. I've witnessed a number of fist fights, none of which ended in fatality (though in some cases hospitilization was necessary), but the likelihood of death seems greater when firearms are in use. Granted, a (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) By whom? However deeply you or I think about this subject, the majority of gun owners (legal or illegal) do not. However noble your or the founding fathers' intentions, purchasing a gun for the purposes of home or personal defence, or carrying (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmm. Yes. All that drug related violence. All those people resorting to violent crime to fund their habit, and the ensuing deaths where innocent bystanders have small bags of white powder thrown at them with sufficient force to cause gaping (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) national (...) I think that the strength of my claim makes it difficult to really defend. however the reading that I have done suggests that when concealed carry laws are passed and the propensity to carry increases for that venue the violent (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) They could comprehend that the same ordnance _must_ be available to both the military and the civilians. Chris (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Conveniently, we don't live in such fear. (...) Thanks for telling me my mind. But it turns out that you're wrong. I want, regardless of what others have, the maximally effective death-flinging device. I want that so that I am prepared for (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Democratic election is not just for show. It is a first attempt at getting things right. And we have 200 years of showing that it works out pretty well. (There have been some roadbumps along the way, but that's true for everyone.) Not (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is distortive and false. You're not thinking deeply enough, you're just buying the line fed you. (...) Again, distortive. Read the Federalist Papers before you comment further, would be my suggesting. The absolute level of technology is (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Good question. I don't believe there is always a surefire way to tell. (1) In that case the goal ought to be to stop the violence. 1 - how were the Branch Davidians to know that trailers full of armed men crashing into their compound, guns (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's admirable, but you do recognize that you're not a representative sample, right? That would be like saying that I've never deliberately run over anyone in my car, therefore no one has ever done so. Dave! (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Nope. You are trivialising the issue rather than addressing the point. "The forefathers" could not comprehend what weapons would do in a few hundred years time (ie today). What do you think handguns will be like a few hundred years from now? (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In light of the recent gun debate here, I thought that it might be ok to ask your thoughts on banning narcotics in America, afterall, they have had a dramatic negative impact on our society and getting the drugs off the legal market would certainly (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Whew!! now it all makes sense. The forefathers considered how long it took to load a muzzle and the likelyhood of the ammo spilling out when they proposed the right to bear arms... (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Unlike the media in many other countries, some of the media in the UK really is independant. Independent even of corporate advertising. Before I posted the message I had replied to, I read this article about how visitors to Turkey had been (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Strange, but my idea of freedom is not living in constant fear of being shot. That's why each of you wants a gun - to defend yourself against all the others who have guns. It doesn't even occur to you that everyone else wants a gun because (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Just out of interest, how do you go about determining whose side to come in on? Jason J Railton (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ah, I get it. So, what you're saying, is that the whole democratic process is just for show. You place your vote, you elect your leaders, but at any time you can up arms as a mob and take them out again. Okay, sorry, that's unfair. Every (...) (24 years ago, 18-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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