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The announcement of the newest legend is up on the Lego site. The Black Seas Barracuda won. (URL) Christiansen (22 years ago, 9-Jul-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.pirates) !!
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(...) Darn! I was hoping that 6074 Black Falcon's Fortress would win. Well, I'm happy for the pirate fans though. Since train, castle, and town have all been recently represented in terms of re-releases, I guess it's fitting for the Pirate line to (...) (22 years ago, 9-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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(...) The good news is I get to save a lot of money. :-/ Jude (22 years ago, 9-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Wouldn't have been disappointed if 6074 won ('cause I'd buy a bunch of 'em), but I have to say, this is the set I thought most worthy of being called a Legend. Time to start saving my money. With the Imperial Armada ship and Redbeard Runner (...) (22 years ago, 9-Jul-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.pirates)
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(...) Darn! This isn't fair. I mean, look: Pirates gets 4 re-realeses (legends and otherwise) Train gets 2 Town gets 2(?) Castle gets 1 ? gets 1 (USS Constellation) Space gets 0 Oh well, I suppoese the BSB isn't all that bad... but already with 2 (...) (22 years ago, 9-Jul-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.pirates)
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I'm realy glad that you made this voting event possible. It has not been an easy choice for us. I hope that the massive and possitive response you must have recieved on all five sets, makes it interesting enough to re-release one ore more of the (...) (22 years ago, 9-Jul-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.pirates)
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(...) Bummer, now I have to buy another set which I don't really need so that I can strive for Pirate completeness... Frank (22 years ago, 9-Jul-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.pirates)
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(...) I agree - even though I own this set, I think it is worth the re-issue for all those people who will now be able to play with it. Please continue the re-release program, because many of the old sets still remain very interesting for those who (...) (22 years ago, 9-Jul-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.pirates)
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(...) I could swear that's what they just did: there was a vote. Blame the public. Here's the most chosen reason for selecting the Barracuda by the voters: "Simply put the attention to detail in the Barracuda set the standard for Lego sets. It is (...) (22 years ago, 9-Jul-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.pirates)
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(...) Well, I dunno if it was *quite* an equal chance. Let's say they instigate another Legend vote and select as hopefuls: - 6836 V-Wing Fighter - 6399 Airport Shuttle - 2539 Batwing Flyer - 6256 Islander Catamaran Now, a vote it may be, but even (...) (22 years ago, 9-Jul-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.pirates)
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(...) I'm sure part of the selection was because they wanted to include sets of different sizes. There also may be issues with production on the sets you mention. And let us further note that within Lugnet the Battrax is rated 92, the BSB 94, the (...) (22 years ago, 9-Jul-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.pirates)
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(...) Well, point of the example wasn't to say that it's the *same* as what was offered, but that just because there's a vote doesn't mean it's the voters' "fault". IE that it's possible for TLC to give certain nominees a better/worse chance of (...) (22 years ago, 9-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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If you read the comments about #375 and #6390 sets it seems to me that TLC just may release these because they say... "If the Yellow Castle becomes a LEGO Legend and is reissued, the knights' helmet and visor would be a little different from the (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.pirates)
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(...) Return of the Wench! **Shiver me timberrr...rrrs!** :) Michael Dallaston (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.pirates)
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(...) *Now* we'll get some serious revitalisation of Pirates going! Can't wait! And there's more brown blocks about nowadays too - brown hulled two deckers! Hoo-ahhh! Richard Still baldly going... Two deckers? What the devil is he talking about? (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.pirates, lugnet.loc.au)
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(...) Yo ho yo ho a pirate's life for me. We pillage, we plunder, we rifle and loot Drink up me 'earties yo ho! We kidnap and pillage and don't give a hoot Drink up me 'earties yo ho! Arrr, I be 'aving to teach that un to me bird. 'E's got "Fifteen (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.pirates, lugnet.loc.au)
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(...) If any of us can bring ourselves to scuttle this fine masterpiece of a vessel, that is... (...) Tis indeed a fine time to be alive. I might even manage to get through a whole day not mentioning how much I'd like to see an Eldorado Re-rel... (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.pirates, lugnet.loc.au)
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(...) Am I just blind or something? Where did that info come from? Kerry (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.pirates)
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(...) On the www.lego.com/myopinions page, you can check the responses for people who voted for the same legend that you voted for. Top responses for the Barracuda... Why did you pick the Barracuda as your favorite? 1 Simply put the attention to (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.pirates)
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(...) people who (...) Ah ha, so here are the top responses for the 375 Yellow Castle: What would be more of a legend than the set that started the whole Castle theme? 273 votes, 490 views, 55% rate This was the beginning of castle lego. The (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.pirates)
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Top 5 for main street: 1 The town/city theme has been set aside these last years and needs to come back. 323 463 69% 2 I loved the Town/City in this period. I miss these kind of sets, with true LEGO pieces (not pre-made macro-blocks). Those minifig (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.pirates)
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(...) I just bought one on ebay (more or less intact) for $A100... it'll be interesting to see what pricing they come up with.... a second one'll definitely be on the list now (and a third, sooner or later, if the price is right). (...) How about a (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.pirates, lugnet.loc.au)
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(...) Well, I'll be getting one of those new BSB's, even though I already own an 'original'. I'm thinking about converting it to an imperial flag-ship. Mark "or put wings on it and make it a SpacePirate" de Kock (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.pirates)
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I am trying to work out if we can deduce anything of statistical significance from the vote/view/rate information revealed on the My Opinions page for the different Legend candidates. For example, the top rated responses for the Barracuda (the (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.pirates)
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(...) come (...) The voice of the AFOL seems to be coming through loud and strong on Main Street too. IMHO, reasons 1, 2, 4 are very nostalgic or backward-looking in a way that would only make sense for an adult. 5 is also somewhat backward looking (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.pirates)
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(...) Why did you pick the Black Falcon Fortress as your favorite? votes views rate 1 Castle theme in general is great. The older castle sets are all around great sets. The new castle sets have too many specialized pieces and the old sets are just (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.pirates)
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(...) Indeed. The best sets for building armies are those little one fig-few misc pieces ones. But I doubt somehow one of those would ever end up being made a legend. I just use the **set that must not be named** as an example because IMO it's the (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.pirates, lugnet.loc.au)
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(...) Gut evenink Kerry, here are the resuults of the Battrax Vote (/eurovision song contest) 1 I think that it just looks cool and looks like something from the future. 435 votes, 749 views, 58% rate 2 This is a cool set and with a command base (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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(...) It depends on how early in the voting the opinion was first added to the list. If I recall, the top vote getter was only around 50-60 when I added that bit about the Barracuda (yes, I mentioned it here out of sheer vanity since it was the top (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.pirates)
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(...) pretty clear LD doesn't give much of a hoot about space. It even got the Battrax's model year wrong. 1987, not 1989! Buffoons!! BAH!! :-) --Dave (jot and jab) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.pirates)
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To me, the statements below just indicate that TLC does not have the molds for those older style pieces, and that they don't want to go to the trouble or expense of recreating them. This still doesn't explain why we can by cypress tress in bulk, but (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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If I knew any better, I'd think that LEGO direct was trying to sway the vote from these two hallmark sets. You look at the rarity of these sets these days...and the costs of these sets on on-line marketplaces....well, that's my opinion anyways. I (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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(...) The Legends vote started before the cypress tree was re-released. Obviously (to my mind) they didn't know they would/could provide the trees when they wrote the description for Main Street. James (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Yes, but the counter-point was that all sets were highly rated and therefore it was still the fault of public opinion - if the Battrax was such a sure fire loser, perhaps people should rethink their rating of it. I'll be curious if there are (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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(...) There was some discussion about not including cypress trees when the Legends vote started in April of 2002. The cypress trees had already been announced in November 2001. John (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Assuming that Lugnet voting stats were what set their standards, I suppose so. But I'd hope they put more criteria into their research. Basically, I coulda predicted that it was at a disadvantage (I suppose I have no way of knowing that it (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Cypress Trees are not in the current S@H catalog (granted, it omits many products, but other trees are there). 10113 does not seem to be available on shop.lego.com anymore. I would tend to suspect that they got their last use of the mold when (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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That's all five. Unfortunately, deducing anything from these is iffy because you don't know how early in the voting these choice were available. The only one I can vouch for is the lead Pirates choice, since I'm responsible for it. The total number (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Not to disagree, but rather to offer an alternative position, I have to say I wish they'd look to some of the _smaller_ sets as possible reissues. Back when the Legends series was first announced, I posted a suggestion stating this. For some (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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(...) <snip list of sets> (...) Yes. I would agree, you don't need a large set to become a legend. I would find it a problem for the kiddies, too. (of which I am one) While the 'average' kid would scrape up ar beg for the dough of a 25 dollar set, (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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(...) That is true. Even though smaller sets are more 'effecient' and can be brought in bulk, people still go for the large sets. (...) True, true. (...) Yes, that would be true. What happened to space exploration versus space warfare? :( (...) (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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argue that the Space theme was at a disadvantage. (...) actual votes aside, and the actual placement, I still think Space fans got a raw deal all around. It is the smallest of the sets offered, and while not a space buff, I might be able to find (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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(...) The other thing about the larger sets is that we were probably less likely to buy them when we were kids, but now we're adults with more cash to spend, and we'd love to get that set we always wanted as a kid but couldn't afford. I was a (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Jake responded to a question I posted over on fbtb.net that they won't release the actual vote totals, and that the order in which they are listed on the lego.com site has no relation to what was first place, second place, etc. Bruce (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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(...) I think from a business perspective this is a smart move. This is proprietary marketing data. No reason at all to release it to the public. Bravo to them for making a sound decision on this issue. Regards, Allan B. (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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(...) The only problem with this argument is that it makes the assumption that everyone buying a Legends set is an adult who missed buying it the first time 'round. I would suggest that perhaps a greater majority of buyers would be first-time (...) (22 years ago, 11-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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(...) ...except for the "classic" releases of the Red Beard Runner, Armada Flagship and Enchanted Island. Not the greatest Pirate sets ever, by any means, but freely available. Cheers Richie Dulin (22 years ago, 11-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Well if you had emailed in a bid for $90 you probably could have gotten the Beta-1 Command Base from that LEGO auction Sunday in Sacramento. Course, it's probably just as well you didn't-- I won it for $85 (which was $20 over my limit, but as (...) (22 years ago, 11-Jul-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.market.auction)
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Maggie, those Knight's Procession sets also were my favoritest auction surprise find, ever. Hope you get maximum early-castle thrill from them! -Erik who thought about going to the trouble of bidding for 383 (22 years ago, 11-Jul-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.market.auction)
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(...) Thanks, Erik! (...) It went for $100 to the same man who won the yellow castle for $290. I don't think he was an AFOL. But then, I probably looked like I was there to bid on the dolls, so who knows? BTW the woman who runs the auction said they (...) (22 years ago, 11-Jul-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.market.auction)
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(...) The baseplate would be a problem, but I think the <part:4089> "Slope Brick 33 3 x 2 Inverted Hollow with Towball" would be even worse. Perhaps they could use <part:4626> as a replacement? The hinge (<part:3639>/<part:3640>) used in one of the (...) (22 years ago, 11-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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(...) So you were actually there and got to glance at all the Lego, huh? (Madame Alexander dolls too I suppose) Those are pretty serious prices for 383 and 375. (22 years ago, 11-Jul-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.market.auction)
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(...) No no no. Don't think of it as scuttling. Just think of it as one hell of a refit. Can't be done? The hell you say. Port Block Yards does it all the time :-) (...) I'd like that too, but I guess I can build bases out of just about anything, (...) (22 years ago, 11-Jul-02, to lugnet.pirates, lugnet.loc.au)
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(...) Yeah, I'll probably never see a collection of Lego like that in the same place in such perfect shape again. No smoke odor and it had been stored in large Rubbermaid type containers for awhile (evidently the owner has been dead for a couple of (...) (22 years ago, 11-Jul-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.market.auction)
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(...) I think a problem we AFOLs have is that our judgements of "classic" and "legendary" are often confused with nostalgia. "Heritage buildings" have the same problem. I think to be truly classic or legendary a set would have to appeal to kids (...) (22 years ago, 11-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Indeed. Except for the monkeys. And I have my doubts about those anchors, too - they're just not going to hold a large frigate in place in anything more than a slight breeze (or a mild current). And if the tiny anchor does, by some minor (...) (22 years ago, 11-Jul-02, to lugnet.pirates, lugnet.loc.au)
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(...) I think it should be 'because it's full of specialised parts' rather than 'despite it being full of specialised parts'. Consider that a reasonable facsimile of the Yellow Castle could be made from most LEGO collections (possibly from a blue (...) (22 years ago, 11-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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(...) If it bothers you that much, use a couple of chains from adventurer/castle sets. The day Pirates is about realism is the day I pack my loot and head over to .space :) (...) Never... I just put my blue gungan anchor on a 'refitted' Armada (...) (22 years ago, 11-Jul-02, to lugnet.pirates, lugnet.loc.au)
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(...) Certainly a nice set for its time, with some nice pieces for its time (after all, inverse slopes were still something of a novelty in 1976). But only a classic "for it's time". It's not hard to see how some part substitutions and a bit of (...) (22 years ago, 11-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Yeah, this time round, but remember you've got to 'share da brick' with other themes and I'm not just saying that because I'm a piratehead too. Okay then maybe I am. (...) If the old style helmet reissue is not on the cards (you can tell this (...) (22 years ago, 11-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Indeed! And there's always the anchor-out-of-bricks solution too. (...) Probably an anti-rust treatment of some sort. (...) Well spotted! Blue and red are the best colours too... Cheers Richie Dulin (22 years ago, 11-Jul-02, to lugnet.pirates, lugnet.loc.au)
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Hey, wow, are there a lot of sets in 1976 with inverse slopes? Are there any in 1975? Erling Thue Dideriksen and Jens Nygaard Knudsen are credited as the inventors of the inverse slope, er, "toy building block for supplementing existing block sets", (...) (22 years ago, 11-Jul-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.year.1976, lugnet.year.1975)
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(...) The helicopter in the 386 Rescue Vehicles set contains at least a dozen inverse slopes and another 18 slopes. It also contains two interior corner slopes. Not sure what those are called, but they create a 90 degree turn. The 371 also contains (...) (22 years ago, 11-Jul-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.year.1976, lugnet.year.1975)
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(...) I think the set stands as a fine example of traditional LEGO building using fairly standard bricks, slopes and plates. I wouldn't change a thing. :) Of course, also remember, I was only offering this an an example of the _type_ of smaller set (...) (22 years ago, 11-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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This could be compared to the rollout of curve slopes in 2002. (22 years ago, 11-Jul-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.year.1976, lugnet.year.1975)
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(...) Indeed. But I think it's important to get a better handle on what's desirable and what is not. For me, anyway, if it's pre minifig era, it's not that interesting of a set. (regardless of whether it has slopes or inverse slopes or what have (...) (22 years ago, 11-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Have to say, I'm a Castle Head, but I voted for the BSB. Of all the sets shown, the two that I thought of most as "Legends" were the Yellow Castle and the BSB. Both made me think of the "greatness" of Lego, and were both sets I had always (...) (22 years ago, 11-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Hmm. It may be true that there is no single archetypical Space set, but I can come up with a fair list of sets that I'd be happy to see as Legends. I've compiled such a list, but I might be biased. I'm definitely working from incomplete (...) (22 years ago, 11-Jul-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.space)
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(...) <snip> One of my favorites is the <set:6980> Galaxy Commander. Nice form/function and whoosh-able too! -Duane (22 years ago, 11-Jul-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.space)
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(...) In what way? Some sort of unofficial vote perhaps? Or are you referring to something else? (...) This is probably true for some people. Though I'm not sure how the minifig and good set design are related. (...) And to me they are interesting. (...) (22 years ago, 11-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Agreed. And I still wonder ONE thing - if the 375 reissue would have been noted to be released in GREY instead of yellow, how would the voting have gone then? I voted for Main Street. I have ZERO interest in Castle. But if they would have done (...) (22 years ago, 11-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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(...) I would as well. For the same reason. I could turn it into buildings other than a castle. I wonder if there is any harm in LEGO even _considering_ an idea like this? That is..... rereleasing an old set in a color that didn't exist when the set (...) (22 years ago, 11-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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(...) It’s a great idea, and something I believe has been discussed here before. I personally sense that a Dark Gray, Gray, or ultra cool “light Blue” 375 would be outstanding choice set to deliver a variant reproduction offer. (...) The topic of (...) (22 years ago, 12-Jul-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) Oh yeah, I would've voted for an all grey 375 too! <drool> And not just because I'm a castle fan either! -Bryan (22 years ago, 12-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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First let me say that I would like to see some smaller sets rereleased as well as large ones. Sets the size of Guarded Inn, Pizza to Go, etc are the backbone of the line and sell in larger quantities as new sets. So I have no argument with the (...) (22 years ago, 12-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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In lugnet.general, Allan Bedford writes: <LEGO(r) should consider rereleasing sets in other colors> I don't think anyone would argue this point. Ben aus BS in particular would agree with you and has passionately argued against the same color in the (...) (22 years ago, 12-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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(...) LEGO still has blue as a colour? ;-) Jude (22 years ago, 12-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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... (...) Actually, I not only totally agree with Tom and Alan here, but let me take it 1 step further. Colour is very important to me; I think what makes the Jedi Starfighter and Episode II slave I look so good (other than the specialized pieces (...) (22 years ago, 12-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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(...) How can you reconcile saying that this set "looks clunky and outdated in blue" with claiming that (URL) "stands as a fine example of traditional LEGO building using fairly standard bricks, slopes and plates"? Cheers Richie Dulin (22 years ago, 12-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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(...) a) Traditional LEGO built models often do look clunky. (old school stuff that I'm always harping about) I didn't mean it as a slam against them, just kind of stating the obvious as I saw it. b) I think the grey makeover would make it look ever (...) (22 years ago, 12-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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(...) I don't know, I think 384 stands up pretty well. Sure, it doesn't have seats, and perhaps is a bit short for minifigs, so it's not perfect, but Steve Barile's looks nice on the PNLTC mall layout (I haven't heard anyone comment on the fact that (...) (22 years ago, 12-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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(...) sets. I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't have very many set numbers memorized. I recognize 924 and 918, but the rest are a mystery. Add to that the fact that right now the guide is offline and I'm quite frustrated... But even if (...) (22 years ago, 12-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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(...) 420/611 Legoland - Police Car 442 Classic Space - Space Shuttle 770/386 Legoland - Red Cross Helicopter and Ambulance 712_1/371_3 Legoland - Sea Plane 487/924 Classic Space - Transporter 918_1 Classic Space - Space Transport With friendly (...) (22 years ago, 12-Jul-02, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Noooo!!!! I was hoping against all odds that the Battrax would somehow hold through all odds and somehow make it to the legend category, guess my vote was futile. I think it is very disadvantageous that the pirates sets got a foothold above (...) (22 years ago, 13-Jul-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.pirates)
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(...) I agree... but I think all themes shall eventually have their moment. Just given time, Lego shall do it. (...) So do I! :/ (...) Why? Is it non-Lego related? -JHK (22 years ago, 13-Jul-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.pirates)
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(...) Grand Admiral Sandlin and I took my old BSB and converted it to an 'Air Pirates' ship. Unfortunately, we stalled out in making the matching Armada Flagship conversion before we took pictures. Now they're sitting under Mark's workbench (...) (22 years ago, 13-Jul-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.pirates)
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(...) I'm hoping to see this soon, as every other major theme I can think of has been recognized as a legend, except the most noble of themes, space. However, there's no way I'm gonna wait up to a year, or until the star wars contract expires before (...) (22 years ago, 13-Jul-02, to lugnet.general, lugnet.pirates)
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