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Misnomer: we are all Lego collectors! —Jimmy Park

I would just like to clarify a point here: we are all Lego collectors. Lego refers to us that way, we behave like classic collectors, and there is nothing wrong with being a Lego collector! Look at all the catalogs and Lego Mania magazines. They are (...) (23 years ago, 11-Jun-01, to lugnet.castle)

Re: Misnomer: we are all Lego collectors! —Mark Sandlin

(...) I disagree. I am a Builder. Buying sets is a side effect of my parts requirements. I don't buy every set on the market, or in a given theme. I don't consider myself a collector, because I don't gain pleasure from owning every set in a series. (...) (23 years ago, 11-Jun-01, to lugnet.castle)

Re: Misnomer: we are all Lego collectors! —Eric Sophie

Hmmm, interesting, Yep I buy a set for the Pcs. When I built my Praying Mantis I brought tons of Castle sets. I have'nt purchased a set and built the featured Model in years. I belive the last one was the Technic controll center with the Mechanical (...) (23 years ago, 11-Jun-01, to lugnet.castle)

Re: Misnomer: we are all Lego collectors! —Jimmy Park

(...) That's because people are trying to redefine the term collector and it's confusing people. You might consider yourself a Lego "builder" but to 99.9% of the world, you are a Lego collector. If someone plays with Hot Wheels, I would call him a (...) (23 years ago, 11-Jun-01, to lugnet.castle)

Re: Misnomer: we are all Lego collectors! —Marc Nelson, Jr.

(...) My girlfriend calls us all "LEGO nerds". -Marc Nelson Jr. (23 years ago, 11-Jun-01, to lugnet.castle)

Re: Misnomer: we are all Lego collectors! —Matthew Gerber

(...) But you are missing the point that it is the manufacturers THEMSELVES who are doing this...the very moment that the word 'collectable' is slapped on something, it automaically ISN'T, ya' know? LEGO is now guilty of jumping on the bandwagon, (...) (23 years ago, 11-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Misnomer: we are all Lego collectors! —Mark Sandlin

(...) My sentiments exactly. ~Grand Admiral Muffin Head (23 years ago, 11-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Misnomer: we are all Lego collectors! —Eric Sophie

Yes, I am a collector, I guess there is no way around it. I call myself a builder. I gotta say, their are folks out there that just buy a set and either build it and place it on a shelf or save the unopened box, these guys are not builders. Eric (...) (23 years ago, 11-Jun-01, to lugnet.castle)

Re: Misnomer: we are all Lego collectors! —Jimmy Park

(...) I think your definition of a collector is fundamentally wrong. Webster's defines a collector as one that collects or a person who makes a collection. No where does it mention that one has to have every set in a series to be a collector or does (...) (23 years ago, 11-Jun-01, to lugnet.castle)

Re: Misnomer: we are all Lego collectors! —Matthew Gerber

(...) So...I'm confused...Are you saying that if I was to buy Barbie dolls, and cut their hair off, I'd be a scalper? Is that right? 8-> Matt (Just moving this to .debate) (23 years ago, 11-Jun-01, to lugnet.castle)

Re: Misnomer: we are all Lego collectors! —Jimmy Park

(...) No, you'd be a typical 8-yr. old girl! :) Jimmy (23 years ago, 11-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Misnomer: we are all Lego collectors! —Mark Sandlin

(...) Too late. The word has already been stigmatized. Two words: Beanie Babies. When someone says "collector" I think of someone who MUST HAVE EVERY ITEM. I certainly don't fit that description, whether or not someone else perceives my hobby that (...) (23 years ago, 11-Jun-01, to lugnet.castle)

Re: Misnomer: we are all Lego collectors! —Jimmy Park

(...) Hey if you're going to pick a field where people are encouraged to 'buy them all,' you should have picked Pokemon or even Bionicles. ;) But seriously, the terms "stamp collector," "coin collector," "action figure collector," etc. are all (...) (23 years ago, 11-Jun-01, to lugnet.castle)

Re: Misnomer: we are all Lego collectors! —Matthew Gerber

(...) Ohhh Kaayy...Pokémon but no castle here. Really needs to move to .debate (sorry to police, but GEEZ! Pokémon?) Matt (trying again) (23 years ago, 11-Jun-01, to lugnet.castle)

Re: Misnomer: we are all Lego collectors! —Jason Cicchini

Okay. First, the AFOLs on .Castle moaned and complained about how the Guarded Inn was sooo cool, and the best set ever etc... So LEGO gives us a wonderful present, they re-release a great set (IMHO) and make it availeable for even the neophytes to (...) (23 years ago, 11-Jun-01, to lugnet.castle)

Re: Misnomer: we are all Lego collectors! —Kirby Warden

Heh...I've collected a lot things over the years: bugbites, cavities, pounds...if anyone is interested, i'd love to scalp some of these things :^D (...) (23 years ago, 11-Jun-01, to lugnet.castle)

Re: Misnomer: we are all Lego collectors! —Kirby Warden

(...) <snip> (...) uh...if you really wanted to clarify a word, isn't it best to offer the actual definition of that word? I can't seem to find my dictionary, but i did find my thesaurus and the first word it uses to describe "collect" is "gather". (...) (23 years ago, 11-Jun-01, to lugnet.castle)

Re: Misnomer: we are all Lego collectors! —Matthew Gerber

(...) From Dictionary.com: col·lec·tor (k-lktr) n. 1. One that collects: a solar energy collector; a dust collector. 2. A person employed to collect taxes, duties, or other payments. 3. A person who makes a collection, as of stamps. 4. An electrode (...) (23 years ago, 11-Jun-01, to lugnet.castle)

Re: Misnomer: we are all Lego collectors! —Kirby Warden

dude...you just suckered me into a debate! But that's ok, let's see if I can score a couple of points for myself... A collector is a person who collects... well gee...you've successfully defined what a collector is. Now how about defining what it (...) (23 years ago, 11-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Misnomer: we are all Lego collectors! —Matthew Gerber

(...) Sorry, not my intent...just adding the missing dictionary definitions. (...) Complaints can be forwarded to: -The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by (...) (23 years ago, 11-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Misnomer: we are all Lego collectors! —Matthew Gerber

(...) Again, from Dictionary.com: col·lect1 (k-lkt) v. col·lect·ed, col·lect·ing, col·lects v. tr. 1. To bring together in a group or mass; gather. 2. To accumulate as a hobby or for study. 3. To call for and obtain payment of: collect taxes. 4. To (...) (23 years ago, 11-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Misnomer: we are all Lego collectors! —Kirby Warden

Yup that's pretty much what I said earlier, thanks :^) (...) (23 years ago, 11-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Misnomer: we are all Lego collectors! —Mark Sandlin

(...) And this right here is my point of contention. My hobby is not to collect LEGO bricks. My hobby is Building. My collection is merely a side effect of the necessity for having LEGO bricks with which to build. You wouldn't call a home builder a (...) (23 years ago, 11-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Misnomer: we are all Lego collectors! —Eric Sophie

Thanks for the effort, but this is part of Lugnet's problem. We don't need to be so specific, we don't need to define ourselves. We know what we do. Let's be careful not allow a post to begin making us go crazy. Were into Lego. Period. You want to (...) (23 years ago, 11-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Misnomer: we are all Lego collectors! —Matthew Gerber

(...) BINGO! My post here: (URL) to de-bunk the whole issue in the first place. Lets NOT be branded anything, if we can help it. (...) Not a prob' Eric, Just keeping my title intact. 8?) (...) Ok! Matt (23 years ago, 11-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Misnomer: we are all Lego collectors! —Eric Sophie

Aww excellent were on the same page. Keeping what we like as "LegoHeads" from being branded is one thing and it's good. I think Also, LD has to focus on what it percieves as a selling base. So all peoples are going to be fragmented and assingned in (...) (23 years ago, 11-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Misnomer: we are all Lego collectors! —Matthew Gerber

(...) You sound like your head is hurting about as much as mine...I'll get you a cool washcloth if you'll fetch the asprin...8?) Matt (23 years ago, 11-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Misnomer: we are all Lego collectors! —Kirby Warden

(...) <snip> (...) <snip> Sooooo, what are you saying...we should all remain ignorant and let somebody else define things for us? I was merely trying to correct the method that was being used to define a collector. To say that a collector is simply (...) (23 years ago, 11-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Misnomer: we are all Lego collectors! —Matthew Gerber

(...) Right. Obviously 'collector' will mean different things to different folks...SO WHAT? We are all entitled to our own opinion of who we are, and how we view ourselves in the 'collector' world. Me, a builder-I build by the instructions once, (...) (23 years ago, 11-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Misnomer: we are all Lego collectors! —Bruce Schlickbernd

(...) Note where my message is on the tree - I hadn't read the "cites" I anticipated someone would use at that point. The dictionary terms don't really apply to the "collectable toy" market, which is what is really being debated (anything else is a (...) (23 years ago, 11-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Misnomer: we are all Lego collectors! —Eric Sophie

(...) ----In the sense that it isn't easy or TLC never made it easy to collect Lego, I agree. Eric (23 years ago, 11-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Misnomer: we are all Lego collectors! —Bruce Schlickbernd

(...) No, in the sense of what makes something a good collectable. That is usually uniqueness and to some degree, scarcity. Unless there is a specific unique part in the set, Lego rates real low on that scale (primarily the box). You can find any (...) (23 years ago, 11-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Misnomer: we are all Lego collectors! —Eric Sophie

Nevermind, because you don't hold Lego in high regard. It is a good collectable. Your not winning any admiration here by saying that it's not. Perhaps you have'nt seen my Creations. www.brickshelf.com/c...Legomaster Also, your forgetting that every (...) (23 years ago, 11-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Misnomer: we are all Lego collectors! —Mark Sandlin

(...) Why do you say this? Because Bruce doesn't have the same opinion as you? (...) What do your creations have to do with the debate at hand? (...) Um, what? (...) What does this have to do with anything? How does one person's creations and the (...) (23 years ago, 12-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Misnomer: we are all Lego collectors! —Eric Sophie

----See below (...) ----I guess it bothered me that he said Lego isn't a good collectible, if his opinion is different I guess I should'nt slam him, infact I do respect his opinion. (...) ----Ahhh nothing, I know it's wrong to do that.....sorry (...) (23 years ago, 12-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Misnomer: we are all Lego collectors! —Lindsay Frederick Braun

See below too! :) (...) I think it was a basic misunderstanding of what Bruce (who, trust me, holds LEGO in a regard few can hold higher) meant by "not a good collectible." You focussed on it as though he meant that it's not good; he meant that (...) (23 years ago, 13-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: We may all be Lego collectors, but Lego isn't a Beanie-Baby style collectable —Bruce Schlickbernd

(...) I hold Lego in extremely high regard - you are confusing an honest analysis of Lego on the "collectable toy market" with a derogatory attack. That Lego makes a poor "collectable" is a *good* thing, in my opinion. You need to go back and (...) (23 years ago, 12-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: We may all be Lego collectors, but Lego isn't a Beanie-Baby style collectable —Daniel Jassim

(...) Great point! From a LEGO builder's point of view, I look at unopened or unused LEGO as a waste of fun, creative and exciting possibilities! I think Eric slightly overdid it in his last post by calling Bruce out, as if creativity makes a (...) (23 years ago, 12-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: We may all be Lego collectors, but Lego isn't a Beanie-Baby style collectable —Larry Pieniazek

(...) Why *side* with either? Why are there sides *at all* for that matter? That is what is baffling me. This isn't a territorial war, is it? Both "sides" can "win", can't they? I'm a builder AND a collector and there is nothing wrong with being (...) (23 years ago, 12-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: We may all be Lego collectors, but Lego isn't a Beanie-Baby style collectable —Eric Sophie

That's good, I can go with that... Eric (...) (23 years ago, 12-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: We may all be Lego collectors, but Lego isn't a Beanie-Baby style collectable —James Brown

(...) Absolutely correct. As you're fond of saying, this is a big tent, with room for all. However, and I think this is Dan's point, between hard-core builders and hard-core collectors, there is a significant paradigm shift. To me (and I suspect Dan (...) (23 years ago, 12-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: We may all be Lego collectors, but Lego isn't a Beanie-Baby style collectable —Daniel Jassim

(...) I'll do as I please. If you want an explanation, here it is: Anyone with enough money can collect LEGOs. There's no talent or creativity involved. There's no artistry, skill or vision either. Collection is consumption. Consumption doesn't earn (...) (23 years ago, 12-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: We may all be Lego collectors, but Lego isn't a Beanie-Baby style collectable —Larry Pieniazek

(...) As you should. I asked in order to try to understand, not challenge, your view. <snip elaboration> Thanks. Helpful. (...) I did say it, but not just to you, rather to all who read here. I'll say it again... Welcome all who come, whatever their (...) (23 years ago, 13-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: We may all be Lego collectors, but Lego isn't a Beanie-Baby style collectable —Daniel Jassim

(...) I'm glad my "elaboration" was helpful, and I hope I am clear now. <snipped discussion> (...) Sounds good to me, but why do you feel it is necessary to repeat yourself? Are you sure you are not addressing me? Have I mocked someone or done (...) (23 years ago, 13-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: We may all be Lego collectors, but Lego isn't a Beanie-Baby style collectable —Larry Pieniazek

(...) You said "whatever", suggesting that you didn't agree. I restated it in hopes that you would clarify if you do or don't agree that inclusiveness is good. (...) Not that you disagree with what? (...) Great, (aside from the loaded words) but I (...) (23 years ago, 13-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: We may all be Lego collectors, but Lego isn't a Beanie-Baby style collectable —Daniel Jassim

(...) I said "whatever" because I sensed you had more to say on the matter, which you obviously do. Did I not say "everyone has their thing" and for collectors "to collect away and enjoy their collection"? How much more inclusive would you like me (...) (23 years ago, 14-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: We may all be Lego collectors, but Lego isn't a Beanie-Baby style collectable —Daniel Jassim

TYPO IN MY PREVIOUS POST, PLEASE CORRECT: (...) I meant "I did NOT call LEGO collectors...etc" I mistakenly left out the NOT in that sentence. Let it be clear that I did NOT call LEGO collectors materialistic, greedy or immoral. Dan (23 years ago, 14-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: We may all be Lego collectors, but Lego isn't a Beanie-Baby style collectable —Larry Pieniazek

(...) Thanks for that clarification. Rephrasing it, what I see you saying is that you're never wrong about anything, or at least never willing to admit it, and that you never misstate anything, or at least never see any need to ever correct anything (...) (23 years ago, 14-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: We may all be Lego collectors, but Lego isn't a Beanie-Baby style collectable —Daniel Jassim

(...) 100% pure bullsh*t my friend, but you will think as you wish. By rephrasing it, you changed the meaning for your selfish purposes, not for the greater need of understanding. If you were intent on understanding, you wouldn't throw in the little (...) (23 years ago, 14-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: We may all be Lego collectors, but Lego isn't a Beanie-Baby style collectable —Eric Sophie

Hey that's cool Bruce, I got a little out of hand, I re-read the thread and I hear where your comming from, I ussually don't get like that on Lugnet, sorry. You rasied some good points, I hope people can appreciate this as I did. I'm 30, so I feel (...) (23 years ago, 12-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: We may all be Lego collectors, but Lego isn't a Beanie-Baby style collectable —Bruce Schlickbernd

(...) Alright, a little overzealous, but I can live with that. We be cool then. Bruce (23 years ago, 12-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: We may all be Lego collectors, but Lego isn't a Beanie-Baby style collectable —Eric Sophie

Thanks Bruce, it's better to understand each other....right on. Eric (...) (23 years ago, 12-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: We may all be Lego collectors, but Lego isn't a Beanie-Baby style collectable —Eric Sophie

Thanks Bruce, it's better to understand each other....right on. Eric (...) (23 years ago, 12-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: We may all be Lego collectors, but Lego isn't a Beanie-Baby style collectable —Eric Sophie

Thanks Bruce, it's better to understand each other....right on. Eric (...) (23 years ago, 12-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Misnomer: we are all Lego collectors! —Eric Sophie

(...) ----Hold it right there. I step aside for that. Your absolutely right. (...) ----ok, no biggie. (...) -----dude, com'on (...) ----right on, me too (...) ---Thanks Kirby -----Yes, a natural evolution of a successful product will bring these (...) (23 years ago, 11-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Misnomer: we are all Lego collectors! —Bruce Schlickbernd

(...) Too late! "Collector" in the toy hobby is already stigmatized. :-) I think there is a difference between someone who collects something and something that is a "collectable" (please no semantic-driven dictionary "proofs"). I might be a (...) (23 years ago, 11-Jun-01, to lugnet.castle)

Are we? or are some of us builders? (was: Misnomer: we are all Lego collectors!) —James Howse

(...) Absract. There are different words we apply to different approaches to LEGO(products). Builders and collectors. Builders might feel that collectors have an unproductive/unhelpful view of LEGO(products). Builders don't care about scalpers and (...) (23 years ago, 12-Jun-01, to lugnet.castle, lugnet.general, lugnet.loc.au)

Re: Are we? or are some of us builders? (was: Misnomer: we are all Lego collectors!) —Ross Crawford

In lugnet.castle, James Howse writes: [snippety snip snip] (...) I agree with most of this essay, so haven't quoted it. However, I think (someone correct me if I'm wrong) that the vast majority of LEGO company's income is derived from the "younger" (...) (23 years ago, 12-Jun-01, to lugnet.general)

Re: Are we? or are some of us builders? (was: Misnomer: we are all Lego collectors!) —James Howse

(...) Thank you. When I wrote it I didn't realise there was more to the thread than the original message, some of the replies are informative. (...) I'm probably making artificial distinctions here but bear with me. The divide between builder and (...) (23 years ago, 12-Jun-01, to lugnet.general)

Re: Are we? or are some of us builders? (was: Misnomer: we are all Lego collectors!) —Bruce Schlickbernd

In lugnet.castle, James Howse writes: (snipping long discussion on what is and isn't a collectable) (...) The saying refers to the value of what you have to say, not the amount you have to say. :-) It's been noted already that this isn't the Big (...) (23 years ago, 12-Jun-01, to lugnet.general)

Re: Are we? or are some of us builders? (was: Misnomer: we are all Lego collectors!) —Kyle D. Jackson

In lugnet.castle, James Howse writes: [Snipped a lot!] (...) I was following this "essay" pretty well up until this close. I don't catch your point. You seem to be saying that LEGO has re-released a particular set because of eBay prices to make tons (...) (23 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.general)

Re: Are we? or are some of us builders? (was: Misnomer: we are all Lego collectors!) —James Howse

(...) If a set sells on Ebay, LEGO(company) isn't making money from it. But if it's being sold as a set, LEGO(company) can (and has) rerelease exactly the same set for a lower price and hence get a slice of the market real cheap. So suddenly all the (...) (23 years ago, 15-Jun-01, to lugnet.general)

Re: Are we? or are some of us builders? (was: Misnomer: we are all Lego collectors!) —Kyle D. Jackson

(...) I don't think you will find many collectors/completists diving to go after this set. They want the original because age still matters. The people spending the most on this set are the ones who want the pieces to build with---they're the ones (...) (23 years ago, 16-Jun-01, to lugnet.general)

Re: Misnomer: we are all Lego collectors! —Daniel Jassim

I think LEGOs differ greatly from other items that people collect because it is a toy, a tool and an art medium. So, because LEGOs are different, I think the types of "collectors" are different. * There's the traditional LEGO collector who buys and (...) (23 years ago, 12-Jun-01, to lugnet.castle)

Re: Misnomer: we are all Lego collectors! —Johannes Koehler

Hello! (...) Exactly this is what I am. I collect sets. I try to get as many complete sets as I can get. But! I use the bricks of my (complete) sets and build my own creations. There ain't any models complete assambled in my showcase. Even my (...) (23 years ago, 12-Jun-01, to lugnet.castle)