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  Re: Contributor Agreement License details - updated version
 
(...) Now this is more along the lines of what I'd consider a derivative work according to the license, but only if their part file library actually includes ldraw primitive files, or text copied from the parts or primitive files. If they just (...) (18 years ago, 5-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: Contributor Agreement License details - updated version
 
(...) It's quite condescending to express the view that alternative libraries are created/used just 'in order to avoid writing ...'. All of those alternatives were in existance long before the 'license'. Actually it sounds more like ldraw.org is (...) (18 years ago, 5-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: Contributor Agreement License details - updated version
 
(...) They provide exactly that. *Counter examples* to your argumentation. If you don't know what to do with a counter example, that's your problem. In the mathematics world, *one* counter example is enough to make a 'proof' invalid. I invalidated (...) (18 years ago, 5-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: Contributor Agreement License details - updated version
 
I missed this one at first. (...) What kind of language is that for a LDRAW official? Even if hiding behind '(in a personal capacity)'? I deplore this kind of 'argumentation' - you're just expressing your own opinion, and have no right calling the (...) (18 years ago, 5-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: Contributor Agreement License details - updated version
 
(...) I did think of Anton Rave's library and LGEO but there aren't a lot of models which use exclusively parts from LGEO (I have never used Anton's library). Sure you can provide a counter-example and of course LDraw.org has no control over renders (...) (18 years ago, 5-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: Contributor Agreement License details - updated version
 
(...) This is also not true. BlockCAD has its own part library, not at all connected to the LDRAW library, but BlockCAD *can* save a model in the LDRAW format, thereby making it possible to render a BlockCAD model with the LDRAW compatible programs. (...) (18 years ago, 5-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: Contributor Agreement License details - updated version
 
(...) This is definitely wrong! There is nothing unique with the LDRAW library. It doesn't have a special place in the universe - it's just another information collection. My BlockCAD program can load *some* LDRAW model files and render a picture (...) (18 years ago, 5-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: Contributor Agreement License details - updated version
 
(...) Actually there is. Anton Raves' library comes immediately to mind. Using that you're not using any information from the LDRAW parts, only the placement information in the model file. And his is not the only library of Lego parts in the (...) (18 years ago, 5-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: Contributor Agreement License details - updated version
 
In lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, Timothy Gould wrote: [snip-snap] (...) the steerco has considered the option to change the license but considering that we weren't able to track down 18 people last time (URL) (we are still 33 parts behind in the rewrite (...) (18 years ago, 5-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: Contributor Agreement License details - updated version
 
(...) don, you wouldn't have a model file at all without the parts library. at least not without extreme effort because of the missing visual feedback. I'll give you some codes: CM051P09.dat, HF300P09.dat, CM060P14.dat, CM053P03.dat, CM250P02.dat (...) (18 years ago, 5-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: Contributor Agreement License details - updated version
 
(...) If you are referring to the non-pursuit section of the readme it is most definitely in accord with the license. As you say a license is only as good as its enforcement but stating a policy of enforcement does not change the license. As an (...) (18 years ago, 5-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: Contributor Agreement License details - updated version
 
(...) I agree. The way the readme puts it is not in accord with what the license requires. Furthermore, because there is a disclaimer in readme that it is not a license, that whole bit can and should be ignored and only the license followed. If (...) (18 years ago, 5-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: Contributor Agreement License details - updated version
 
(...) I'm not sure I agree with the ethical imperative argument. There are plenty of old laws on statute books that no-one follows or expects to follow but are still there. Either way, ethical decisions are made on an individual basis (including the (...) (18 years ago, 5-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: Contributor Agreement License details - updated version
 
(...) In that case I agree it wouldn't be a derivative work. I am becoming more and more convinced that an MPD isn't actually a derivative work. (...) If people are willing to go to the effort of making or using an alternate part library in order to (...) (18 years ago, 5-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: Contributor Agreement License details - updated version
 
(...) Sorry, that doesn't work for me. The license describes how someone must behave; lack of prosecution for non-compliance doesn't erase the ethical imperative to follow the agreement. And, since the non-commercial disclaimer is not actually part (...) (18 years ago, 5-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: Contributor Agreement License details - updated version
 
(...) Actually I'm fairly certain the folks at Lego could easily devise a way to import a model file into LDD on a PC with NONE of the official Ldraw files installed. They could then generate a rendering in LDD and publish that on the internet, (...) (18 years ago, 5-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: Contributor Agreement License details - updated version
 
(...) I figured you were which is why I called it unfair. Without the library the render cannot exist. Without the library the LDraw file is just a meaningless list of transformations and codes. (...) Which is precisely why we are stating we will (...) (18 years ago, 5-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: Contributor Agreement License details - updated version
 
(...) Actually I was thinking of the LDraw library as the chisel(s), and to be honest, I don't understand why it's an unfair analogy. It just seems obvious to me. But anyhow, look, I like Ldraw files and renders. I want to see more of them. And (...) (18 years ago, 5-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: Contributor Agreement License details - updated version
 
(...) That is not a fair analogy. Arguably POVray (or ldglite or ldview) is the chisel but the parts are a necessary part of the final work. There is no way to use a typical LDraw file without the parts library to render a scene. (...) You haven't (...) (18 years ago, 5-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: Contributor Agreement License details - updated version
 
(...) I disagree. A sculpture may contain obvious marks from a distinctive chisel, but is not a derivative of that chisel. Now if you make a new chisel based on the distinctive chisel, that's a derivative work. (...) Again, I disagree. We clearly (...) (18 years ago, 5-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: Contributor Agreement License details - updated version
 
(...) In the case of model files I agree it is muddy however a model file means little without the parts to use it. If people wish to try to sell LDraw files without an attribution they are welcome to do so and you are probably right that LDraw.org (...) (18 years ago, 5-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: Contributor Agreement License details - updated version
 
(...) Wow! In my opinion, that's an extremely poor interpretation of "derivative works". Consider the model file. It most likely contains no actual bits of the LDRAW library. It simply contains references to the parts in the library, by names like (...) (18 years ago, 5-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Part 54087 NXT Wheel
 
Is there anyone who wants to take a stab at designing the NXT wheel (part 54087) for LDraw? I'm ready to give up on my attempt. I've been using SolidWorks and Marc Klein's excellent stl2dat but I just don't have the skills. It seems like it would (...) (18 years ago, 4-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad)
 
  Re: Contributor Agreement License details - updated version
 
(...) Precisely. Tim (18 years ago, 3-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: Contributor Agreement License details - updated version
 
(...) So, basically, the licence means you need to credit LDraw whenever you render/create a model from it, but SteerCo aren't bothered unless its for commercial use? (18 years ago, 2-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: hands into arms..."newbie"
 
(...) There's a "minifig builder" in MLCad that does it for you. Go to Extras-->Generators-->Minifig :-) (18 years ago, 2-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.mlcad)
 
  Re: LDraw.org's January 2007 Model and Scene Of The Month Winners
 
(...) Hey, that would be me! (URL) Thanks to everybody who voted. More pictures of 'My Room' at (URL) Brickshelf>. (URL) play well, Jan Folkersma (18 years ago, 2-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, FTX)
 
  Re: hands into arms..."newbie"
 
(...) Use the minifig generator Extras->Generators->Minifigs Putting those parts together by hand is all but impossible. Tim (18 years ago, 2-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.mlcad)
 
  Re: Contributor Agreement License details - updated version
 
(...) hi folks, taking into account all your valuable input the steerco has reworded the initial CAreadme.txt file in response to concerns which have been arisen in the disussion. please learn that we haven't changed a single character in the actual (...) (18 years ago, 2-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.announce) ! 
 
  LDraw.org's January 2007 Model and Scene Of The Month Winners
 
Congratulations to the winners of the January 2007 Model/Scene Of The Month (MOTM/SOTM) contests: (URL) MOTM, Mindstorms NXT cup collecting robot by Henrik Dalsager Christensen> (URL) SOTM, My Room by Jan Folkersma> The voting for the February 2007 (...) (18 years ago, 1-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.announce, FTX)  
 
  Reminder: 2007 Steering Committee Nominations closing at the end of the month
 
Hi folks, we are half way down with the nominations. As outlined here: (URL) will close at the end of the month and elections will start the day after. Only those candidates that have been nominated, seconded, and have accepted as outlined, will be (...) (18 years ago, 1-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: newbie needs help w/ 2 things...please.
 
(...) * Settings > General > Change... > Rendering Tab * Chose your color in the "Preview options" box * Hit "Ok" (...) * use the minifig generator instead * click icon in "Extras Toolbar" or * Extras > Generators > Minifig... other basics can be (...) (18 years ago, 1-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dat.parts)
 
  newbie needs help w/ 2 things...please.
 
1st, all of my parts are coming up in black in the windows where you pick them, causing problems on the detailed or printed bricks. 2nd, how do i line up hands with arms, and arms with torsos? (18 years ago, 1-Feb-07, to lugnet.cad.dat.parts)
 
  hands into arms..."newbie"
 
could someone please point me in the right direction, very new user of mlcad. i can build scenes fine so far, but cannot put arms into torsos, nor hands into arms as of now. banging head in baltimore. (18 years ago, 30-Jan-07, to lugnet.cad.mlcad)
 
  SketchUp LDraw Importer/Exporter Plugin
 
Hello, This post is to solicit input from the LDraw community about using SketchUp as a part creator/model builder. I have working code for SketchUp to import.dat or .ldr files; and also to export a group of parts as a model, or export geometry as a (...) (18 years ago, 31-Jan-07, to lugnet.cad)
 
  Re: Introducing RACHAL - the Raytracing Challenge
 
(...) Hi Zach, Glad you've got ideas :) I think the disco scene was a too hard in retrospect. While we may throw in some reflection and trasparency in future models I doubt there will ever be anything as shiny as the Disco scene. Challenging is one (...) (18 years ago, 31-Jan-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: Introducing RACHAL - the Raytracing Challenge
 
(...) Awesome! Very nice model, and it should be a little easier than the disco scene due to minimal, if any, reflectives and transparents. I already have plenty of ideas, and can't wait to go tinkering. (18 years ago, 31-Jan-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Introducing RACHAL - the Raytracing Challenge
 
Hi all, If you keep an eye on new articles on LDraw.org you may have noticed two new ones with the title RACHAL. Well, we haven't got a replicant working for us but we are relaunching my old raytracing challenges as part of LDraw.org. (URL) brief (...) (18 years ago, 30-Jan-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.cad.ray, lugnet.announce) !! 
 
  Re: New LDraw Contest: POTM Part Of The Month
 
(...) hi james, all entries will be collected throughout the month and then added to the page - offline. when voting starts no new entries will be added. just think of the MOTM/SOTM contest. it wouldn't be fair. what you are seeing right now will go (...) (18 years ago, 30-Jan-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: New LDraw Contest: POTM Part Of The Month
 
I have an idea about the ldraw contests. Why not send an email when a new entry is added to the webpage? Without some sort of reminder, I most likely wont even think to go vote. James (18 years ago, 30-Jan-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: Trying to figure out how to make a model...
 
(...) 32000 ((URL) + 2 x 4274 ((URL) ??? Philo (18 years ago, 30-Jan-07, to lugnet.cad.dat.ideas)
 
  Trying to figure out how to make a model...
 
I've seen alot of cbolego's models (the Metal Slug 5 ones in particular) and I wanted to try making one in MLCad... though I can't figure out how some of the pieces were fitted. In the upper section, it looks like he may have used a few 52107 (...) (18 years ago, 29-Jan-07, to lugnet.cad.dat.ideas)
 
  Hail to the Chief!
 
Seems that James Mathis and I were thinking along similar lines this past week. I, too, designed some streamliner cars of my own using the LEGO Factory parts palette, although I modeled mine on the "Metroliner" paint scheme rather than for the Super (...) (18 years ago, 29-Jan-07, to lugnet.trains, lugnet.announce.moc, lugnet.cad.ldd, FTX) ! 
 
  Re: Finaly: I completed my new LDraw render engine
 
(...) I'm not sure if I know what you mean here. But an importer will most likely create joints for all parts in the MPD. Otherwise it will be difficult to determine which to do and which ones not. (...) I'll see what I can add to help automate some (...) (18 years ago, 28-Jan-07, to lugnet.cad.dev)
 
  Re: New LDraw Parts
 
(...) Thank you for your polite enquiry. Externally, the situation is little changed since this announcement in September: (URL) a lot is going on in the background. Firstly we need to reformat the headers of the existing official library to conform (...) (18 years ago, 28-Jan-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: New LDraw Parts
 
Rene Virsik schrieb: (...) Please have a look at this thread: (URL) also hope that there will be more people that are working on the parts on the parts tracker. cu Michael Heidemann (mikeheide) (18 years ago, 28-Jan-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  New LDraw Parts
 
Hi, I want to ask you if there will be some new official LDraw Parts ? The last update is from December 2005. Thanks. (18 years ago, 28-Jan-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: Finaly: I completed my new LDraw render engine
 
(...) Thank {you} if you implement it ;-) - I'd hate to do all that work over again. BTW if you're able to incorporate that function, it would be nice if you can merge individual submodels since more than 90% of mine are usually just angled sections (...) (18 years ago, 28-Jan-07, to lugnet.cad.dev)
 
  Re: New LDraw Contest: POTM – Part Of The Month
 
Ok, I just woke up 30 minutes ago after far too few hours of sleep (as usual), and realized that I should've just shut up and see how things unfolded... considering how many times the well meaning people of this community have managed to make things (...) (18 years ago, 28-Jan-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: Finaly: I completed my new LDraw render engine
 
(...) If everything goes well, I'll expect the first beta in a couple of months. (...) Not as far I'm concerned. An actor describes the connections between an group of parts. You can then use any actor in an 'character'. And there is no coded limit (...) (18 years ago, 27-Jan-07, to lugnet.cad.dev)
 
  Re: New LDraw Contest: POTM – Part Of The Month
 
In lugnet.announce, Willy Tschager wrote: Neat idea! (...) Note that this doesn't stop someone submitting an update of a part that already exists (in the official library). I actually think that's good - major reworks of existing parts *should* be (...) (18 years ago, 27-Jan-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: New LDraw Contest: POTM – Part Of The Month
 
(...) Hi Niels, I could be misreading you but just in case it reads as though you are assuming that the reviewers submit the part for voting. That is not the case, the author must submit their own part which means that if you've submitted something (...) (18 years ago, 27-Jan-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, FTX)
 
  Re: New LDraw Contest: POTM – Part Of The Month
 
(...) niels, what do you think content managers are for? voting will be of course a piece of cake! just like MOTM/SOTM. luckily I've already started to set up a ballot and luckily I've got already some entries - have a look: (URL) cannot vote yet (...) (18 years ago, 27-Jan-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: New LDraw Contest: POTM – Part Of The Month
 
This is a really great idea... But I find it a little difficult to see how you can participate unless you're one of the small handfull of reviewers with a constant level of high activity: If you aren't paying really close attention to the PT on a (...) (18 years ago, 27-Jan-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, FTX)
 
  Re: Finaly: I completed my new LDraw render engine
 
(...) This is just the kind of program I've been longing for since before I decided to MLCad all my mocs - it was actually one of the main motivations. Man, I'm looking forward to see it completed!! A couple of questions: Assuming that the bot is an (...) (18 years ago, 27-Jan-07, to lugnet.cad.dev, FTX)
 
  Re: Finaly: I completed my new LDraw render engine
 
(...) Yes, After defining one or more actors, you can use them in animations whom will be rendered real time using openGL. While animating you can manipulate all defined joints in the actors using a tracker like editor. In this tracker you put (...) (18 years ago, 26-Jan-07, to lugnet.cad.dev)
 
  Re: Finaly: I completed my new LDraw render engine
 
(...) Am I correct in understanding this lets you animate LDraw models in some limited way? If so, very good work getting it done so far. Does it output povray? Tim (18 years ago, 26-Jan-07, to lugnet.cad.dev)
 
  Finaly: I completed my new LDraw render engine
 
Just wanted to show you people that the LD4DModeler project is not dead, I'm still working on the succeeder and I'm happy to announce the first big step is done. I finished the basic 3D Engine and editors. I have put some screen dumps on my site. (...) (18 years ago, 25-Jan-07, to lugnet.cad.dev)  
 
  New GPLR Member : Allen Smith
 
Good Morning- The Greater Portland LEGO® Railroaders (GPLR) warmly weclomes (URL) Mr. Allen Smith> as its newest club member as of January 15, 2007. Welcome Allen - Play Well! (URL) Greater Portland LEGO Railroaders> (URL) GPLR is: Steve Barile, (...) (18 years ago, 25-Jan-07, to lugnet.trains, lugnet.announce, lugnet.cad, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.loc.us.or, lugnet.loc.us.wa, lugnet.loc.us.id, FTX)  
 
  Official launch of the LDraw POTM - Part Of The Month contest
 
The LDraw Administration Team officially launches the POTM – Part Of The Month contest for LDraw Part Authors. It is no news that programmers get most of the spotlight and little goes to "the unsung heroes of the LDraw CAD world" - this contest (...) (18 years ago, 25-Jan-07, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.announce) ! 
 
  Re: Duplicating problem in MPD rendering
 
(...) Hi Lars, Brian sent me the model earlier, and the problem turned out to be spaces in the names of some of the individual .ldr files in the .mpd file. After removing the spaces, the model worked out fine. Thanks, David (18 years ago, 22-Jan-07, to lugnet.cad)
 
  Re: Duplicating problem in MPD rendering
 
(...) If you send me a copy of your files, I'll have a look at the problem. /Lars (18 years ago, 22-Jan-07, to lugnet.cad)
 
  Re: Duplicating problem in MPD rendering
 
(...) I've seen this when you use spaces in the sub part names and use L3P. Just remove them and it all worked ok :) (18 years ago, 21-Jan-07, to lugnet.cad)
 
  Re: Duplicating problem in MPD rendering
 
(...) Hi David, They kind of appear like mirror images of the other but stuck together along the same axis. I'll send you a copy of the model momentarily. (Not sure about the buffer exchange feature.) - Brian (18 years ago, 20-Jan-07, to lugnet.cad)
 
  Re: NEW SOFTWARE: PicToBrick - Make your own mosaic!
 
Yes, very neat programming! I tried to make a quick and dirty mosaic and it came out alright, but if I want to convert a picture, I'd want all the colors that are in the original. is there some tool to 'grap' the map of a jpg or gif? and then, what (...) (18 years ago, 20-Jan-07, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.build.mosaic, FTX)
 
  Re: Render of Mladen's walking tanks
 
(...) That sounds great. I've been wanting to do instructions of some of my mecha but never got around to it. I'm really curious to see how yours turn out. Best of luck! (URL) Mladen Pejic> (18 years ago, 20-Jan-07, to lugnet.cad.ray, FTX)
 
  Re: Render of Mladen's walking tanks
 
(...) I'm doing more than just rendering you work. I actually put together the Crab tanks and the White Rabbit mech. As an excuse to learn the inner working of LPub, I've also been working sporadically on creating building instructions for the White (...) (18 years ago, 20-Jan-07, to lugnet.cad.ray, FTX)
 
  Re: NEW SOFTWARE: PicToBrick - Make your own mosaic!
 
In lugnet.cad, Johannes Koehler wrote: (snip) (...) I just downloaded this to see what it could do - I saw the pix on Brickshelf last night and wondering what was up. All I have to say is WOW. In the space of ten minutes, I opened a photo, set up (...) (18 years ago, 20-Jan-07, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.build.mosaic, FTX)
 
  Re: Render of Mladen's walking tanks
 
(...) Awesome! I'm glad to see people making use of my LDraw files. (URL) Mladen Pejic> (18 years ago, 20-Jan-07, to lugnet.cad.ray, FTX)
 
  Render of Mladen's walking tanks
 
I whipped this up a while ago for the background of my desktop. Thought I'd share with everyone else. WARNING LINK TO LARGE PICTURE FILE (481K): (URL) with L3P, POV-Ray with radiosity settings, and GIMP -Orion (18 years ago, 19-Jan-07, to lugnet.cad.ray, lugnet.build.mecha)
 
  Re: NEW SOFTWARE: PicToBrick - Make your own mosaic!
 
(...) [reply on behalf of Tobias Reichling] Hi Jordan, this paper exists in a German version only, and due to the size of this document (more than 50MB as .pdf file) it is not available for download. best regards, Jan (on behalf of Tobias) (18 years ago, 19-Jan-07, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.build.mosaic)
 
  Re: NEW SOFTWARE: PicToBrick - Make your own mosaic!
 
(...) Is their paper anywhere on their site? I'd like to read it. (18 years ago, 19-Jan-07, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.build.mosaic, FTX)
 
  NEW SOFTWARE: PicToBrick - Make your own mosaic!
 
Hello! I'm posting this on behalf of Tobias Reichling: (URL) Hi, we - Adrian Schütz and Tobias Reichling, two German students (computer science) - have passed our diploma with the title: "Generating mosaics from multicolor raster graphics by (...) (18 years ago, 19-Jan-07, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.build.mosaic, FTX) !! 
 
  Re: Duplicating problem in MPD rendering
 
(...) Brian, Do any of the sub-assemblies use the buffer exchange feature? When using an mpd file and this feature, you can run into problems when rendering the main assembly if you ghost the wrong parts or forget to ghost other parts in the (...) (18 years ago, 19-Jan-07, to lugnet.cad)
 
  Duplicating problem in MPD rendering
 
I noticed when I render a multi part document using L3PAO and Povray it seems to make a duplicate ghost of some of the parts. The document has four models: - Complete assembly - Subassembly 1 - Subassembly 2 - Subassembly 3 The complete assembly (...) (18 years ago, 18-Jan-07, to lugnet.cad)
 
  Re: Contributor Agreement License details
 
(...) guys, before speculation grow wild I'll take the whole thing back to the steerco. thx for any input - though I have to admit that some posts go further than my wildest dreams ever did. as far as I understand the license both license files have (...) (18 years ago, 18-Jan-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: Contributor Agreement License details
 
(...) I wonder whether a model file really qualifies as a "collective work" under this definition since an LDR file doesn't actually contain the parts definitions, only references to them. (Unless of course, the external parts definitions are (...) (18 years ago, 18-Jan-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: Contributor Agreement License details
 
(...) This is crazy talk. People sign paintings, but nobody is ever gonna staple a note on the back of a painting that says, "This painting was created with ACME brand paints and brushes." Please don't insert any such crazy demand in the ldraw (...) (18 years ago, 18-Jan-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: Should pattern be like we -think- they should be?
 
(...) Have you counted the ones at the Tracker? (URL) are currently 30 parts or shortcuts with (nedds work) in description line. /Tore (18 years ago, 18-Jan-07, to lugnet.cad.dat.parts)
 
  Re: Contributor Agreement License details
 
(...) While rendered images are Derivative Works, I do not think you would have to add anything such as a copyright notice to them. The language of the CALicense.txt paragraph 4.2 says to the extent reasonably practicable or at a minimum where you (...) (18 years ago, 18-Jan-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: Contributor Agreement License details
 
(...) All of the parts authors would have to agree to that, because (and my knowledge is limited so if I mistake any assumptions let me know) the copyright of the part file seems to be held by the parts author not the LDraw Parts Library or any (...) (18 years ago, 18-Jan-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: Contributor Agreement License details
 
(...) There is one significant difference between LDraw and Photoshop in that you pay for the right to use Photoshop without giving credit. That said I don't think we need to vandalise our images to put the credit in but I'm not completely averse to (...) (18 years ago, 18-Jan-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: Contributor Agreement License details
 
(...) In publishing, that type of info is usually contained in a colophon, the use of which is sadly fading from popularity. Some few web sites include this level of detail in their "About" section. I agree it would be nice to see attribution in (...) (18 years ago, 18-Jan-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: Contributor Agreement License details
 
(...) As one of the CA's authors, my view on this is that you should state somewhere in your distribution of the image (i.e. on the web page hosting it, as a text file in a .zip, on the image itself, etc...) that the content were derived from the (...) (18 years ago, 18-Jan-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: Contributor Agreement License details
 
(...) I agree, clarification on rendered images is needed. If a rendering using LDraw parts is a derivative work, and derivative works are required to visibly display credit, that's a problem. It won't show up on my renders; I don't burn "Credit: (...) (18 years ago, 18-Jan-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: Contributor Agreement License details
 
(...) Maybe it's just me, but if renderings are considered derivative works, we need to seriously step back and think long and hard about whether or not we are OK with that. I personally think that forcing renderings to have text on them (...) (18 years ago, 18-Jan-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: Web browser compatibility testing request
 
(...) Look fine in Mozilla 1.7.13 Roland (18 years ago, 18-Jan-07, to lugnet.cad.dev)
 
  Re: Contributor Agreement License details
 
(...) Maybe It's a stupid question but here goes ... Does this mean when you put a rendering (or rendered animation) on the Internet you must scribble 100+ names on the png / frames / end credits. If so I think that's very restricting, a simple (...) (18 years ago, 18-Jan-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: Web browser compatibility testing request
 
For anyone who's interested, here is the output from a more complicated model: (URL) chose pyramid for the test because it allowed me to take a screenshot of the entire page.) Notice that it doesn't show images for any parts that aren't recognized (...) (18 years ago, 17-Jan-07, to lugnet.cad.dev)
 
  Re: Web browser compatibility testing request
 
(...) <snip>> Thanks in advance. (...) Looks great on my Treo 650 with PalmOne Blazer 4.0. Although the partslist images the edges show up white reather than black ans make the parts look a bit funky... (18 years ago, 17-Jan-07, to lugnet.cad.dev)
 
  Re: Web browser compatibility testing request
 
(...) quickly; all the rest are still in the queue. Thanks a lot. --Travis (18 years ago, 17-Jan-07, to lugnet.cad.dev)
 
  Re: Web browser compatibility testing request
 
I found this via browsing the other day, and it is very useful. It doesn't have ALL browsers, but has most and has options for version number, resolution, flash, java, etc. (URL) (18 years ago, 17-Jan-07, to lugnet.cad.dev)
 
  Re: Web browser compatibility testing request
 
I found this via browsing the other day, and it is very useful. It doesn't have ALL browsers, but has most and has options for version number, resolution, flash, java, etc. Aaron (18 years ago, 17-Jan-07, to lugnet.cad.dev)
 
  Re: Web browser compatibility testing request
 
(...) Thanks. It looks really bad in Lynx. Apparently Lynx doesn't like div elements (at least not when they have style information attached). Lynx also doesn't know the meaning of the tfoot element, which is a little more surprising. --Travis (18 years ago, 17-Jan-07, to lugnet.cad.dev)
 
  Re: Web browser compatibility testing request
 
(...) Looks fine in Opera 8.3. I'm sure I can test it on Lynx for you too ;) Tim (18 years ago, 17-Jan-07, to lugnet.cad.dev)
 
  Re: Contributor Agreement License details
 
Hi Zach, (...) Actually it is misspelt throughout the Licence but I can't be bothered to go through it. Insofar as LDraw has an official language it is Australian English. (...) Good point. Perhaps an additional comment like: In order to avoid the (...) (18 years ago, 17-Jan-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: Web browser compatibility testing request
 
(...) The above was worded badly. I'm most interested the above browsers. However, if you use some other browser, please test it in that as well, and report the results. --Travis (18 years ago, 17-Jan-07, to lugnet.cad.dev)
 
  Web browser compatibility testing request
 
I'm adding a new feature to LDView that will generate a parts list web page for any model being viewed in LDView. The HTML code that I'm generating makes heavy use of CSS, and I don't have some browsers that users might use. While my output (...) (18 years ago, 17-Jan-07, to lugnet.cad.dev)
 
  Re: Contributor Agreement License details
 
First, let me disclaim that this is not legal advice. It is merely my understanding of the CA License. I do have some legal knowledge of copyrights, but for any legal advice please contact and retain an attorney. Second, I don't know whether this is (...) (18 years ago, 17-Jan-07, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
 
  Re: Should pattern be like we -think- they should be?
 
(...) That's why as a part reviewer I try to follow this guidelines and I am much stricter that my own opinion would lead me. Yes, I am for some relaxation of the rules in order to get more "good enough" parts. Philo (18 years ago, 17-Jan-07, to lugnet.cad.dat.parts)


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