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Re: Community Policing is a Good Thing(TM) (Was: Re: Do you think there is a market)
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lugnet.admin.general
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Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:05:31 GMT
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In lugnet.admin.general, Duane Hess writes:
> In lugnet.admin.general, Scott Arthur writes:
> > In lugnet.admin.general, Frank Filz writes:
> > > Kyle Beatty wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In lugnet.admin.general, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > > > > In lugnet.admin.general, Tim Courtney writes:
> > > >
> > > > > Yes indeed. We all have a right and a responsibility to work to make LUGNET
> > > > > a better place. Lead, follow, or get out of the way.
> > > >
> > > > This sentiment is not friendly. It is arrogant and has a stink of
> > > > martiality. It really bugs me, I'm sorry to say. I am unlikely to do any of
> > > > the above.
> > >
> > > It may be bluntly stated, but frankly, if you are not here to work with
> > > all the members and users of Lugnet to make Lugnet a better place, I
> > > think you are in the wrong place.
> >
> > But does blunt arrogance make Lugnet a better place?
>
> No. But I have to give credit at least for an effort. I give more credence
> and respect to those who contribute but I view an effort as noteworthy
> none-the-less.
>
> >
> > >
> > > Take a look at the Lugnet plan for some of Todd's and Suzanne's original
> > > ideas:
> > >
> > > http://www.lugnet.com/admin/plan/
> > >
> > > > There has been insufficient restraint so far in the cause of 'correction'.
> > > > The initial 'correction' (re ™) that caused the current brouhaha comes off
> > > > frankly oafish. I don't mean to be rude, but that was my reaction. (A crash
> > > > course on when assertion is really necessary might be in order.)
> > >
> > > Are you implying Larry is wrong to do as the law requires and protect
> > > his (and his associates) property?
> >
> > No one is saying that. Where Larry was wrong was to ask for respect, when he
> > was failing to do so for others – respect is a two way street. It was 1st
> > rate hypocrisy. Nothing less. It can not be justified.
>
>
> I didn't see anything disrespectful in the way that Larry made his
> assertion.
Now *you* are missing the point.
> Once again, he was protecting his own assets. When Larry posted
> the first reminder it was written in a gentle way (IMO) even though in
> retrospect it was obviously a serious matter. He was met with impudence
> (again IMO). What is the best way to deal with insolent behavior yet still
> make it a postitive experience?
>
> By the way, a two way street is OK if you are only expecting to pass someone
> once...
>
> <snip>
> > >
> > > I have a hard time trying to explain what community means to me, and
> > > what community building is, but I do know that Lugnet is central to the
> > > LEGO toy fan community and that mostly online community is every bit as
> > > real as the mostly face-to-face community I experience at my church and
> > > related gatherings. Lugnet is not the only online community I have
> > > participated in, I have been participating in online community for about
> > > 15 years (and I'm sure some here have participated longer).
> >
> > There are people who view this community as there own personal sandpit. When
> > others start playing in the corner without them, or they don't like the game
> > they are playing they start kicking the sand about.
>
> I like to think of it as a community sand pit. I guess that highlights the
> difference that everyone has been trying to make. Is LUGNET a community
> forum, or a personal forum? Since there are multiple people contributing to
> the information repository as opposed to a single person (as in a personal
> web site) I would say that this is a community. As such, it is the
> resposiblity of the community to ensure that all who are contributing are
> doing so in a constructive manner.
>
> Others may resent the mentoring or guidance offered by members of the
> community, but it must be reiterated that the guidance is intended to better
> the community as a whole. Intention is coupled with judgement unfortunately,
> so what is "good" for the community is up for some debate. However, there is
> a wealth of experience out there to draw upon. In my opinion, when those
> with experience (and/or longevity) start "kicking the sand about" there is
> usually a good reason. I've only been a part of the community for 3-4 years
> and this is just my own opinion, but I firmly believe that those who
> contribute to the community have earned the right to mentor and guide those
> who are new to ensure that the community experiences positive growth.
>
> Is the issue _who_ is guiding LUGNET growth, or is it the _method_ with
> which guidance is given?
I would say it is both.
Scott A
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> >
> > Scott A
>
>
> -Duane
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