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Re: codifying marriage on biblical principles
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Thu, 11 Mar 2004 20:58:39 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
   In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur wrote:
   In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
   In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur wrote:

   Are you saying the Pope was politically motivated,

I am not a Catholic so whatever the Pope says is inconsequential to me-- I have no idea as to his motivations.

Pope aside, are saying that the statments made by many church leaders were politically motivated?

I don’t know which leaders you are talking about and even if I did I wouldn’t have any idea as to their motivations (unless they so indicated). I come from a traditional that believes that each and every person has direct access to God without the need of intercessors. So any “Church Leader” that “speaks out” in my mind is on his/her own and is taking advantage of their free speech rights rather than as some spokesperson for the Church as a whole.


That’s interesting, but it does not explain your “political” comment, nor does it answer my question.

  
  
  
   or that killing tens of thousands in Iraq was a political decision?

Many died in Iraq because of SH’s refusal to abdicate his rule.

He was under no obligation to step down.

You are correct. We threatened him. He thought we were bluffing; turns out we weren’t.

What right did Bush have to threaten him?

  
  
   If he had stepped down, there would have been no need to invade in order to force him to leave. In the end it was a decision of national security (of the US)

Come on John, that lie has been long exsposed. Your naivety must be starting to wear by now?

This topic is pretty well beaten, Scott. If you want to consider the whole WMD thing a “lie”, that is your right. To me lying implies deliberate deception; everybody assumed SH still had WMDs (and that is not to say that they could still turn up in Syria or something).

Not everyone; was that not why Rumsfeld established is own little intelligence fiefdom?

Having WMD was not the real problem; it was the threat they supposedly represented. What was the threat from a man who could not even police his own borders and had no real links with “international terrorism”?

  
Even in hindsight I believe that SH’s deposition was still a good thing because he was a menace and a friend of terrorists. I believe it is totally appropriate to threaten any and all leaders of any nation who aid and abett terrorists. (Please shock me and refrain from mentioning Israel...;-)


I’m glad SH is gone, but what is now in his place looks 100 times worse. I’m not sure that the world is a safer place now that he is gone...

Scott A

   JOHN



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(...) lol What are you talking about?? I thought you wanted to know if church leaders' comments were politically motivated? To which political comment of mine are you referring? As far as your question about church leaders' motivation-- I already (...) (21 years ago, 12-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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(...) I don't know which leaders you are talking about and even if I did I wouldn't have any idea as to their motivations (unless they so indicated). I come from a traditional that believes that each and every person has direct access to God without (...) (21 years ago, 10-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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