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Re: codifying marriage on biblical principles
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Thu, 11 Mar 2004 06:01:41 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
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What courage? Newsom hasn’t even been arrested for disobeying the law!
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Yet. Courage is standing up for something you believe in the face of the
consequences - that the other side has turned out too gutless to do anything
about it doesn’t change that.
I
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think I might come to California and steal your LEGO Pirate collection and
expect equal treatment Newsom is getting under the law-- namely the law
looking the other way.
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Let me introduce you to my counter-argument: Winchester Model 1897 12 gauge
Boomstick. You’ll only get my Lego when you pry it from my cold dead
fingers (with a brick-separator). :-)
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lol, But -->Bruce<-- I would have expected a little snickersnee from you!
Nonetheless, Kewl-- does it still fire, and more importantly: do your Liberal
buddies know you own a gun;-)
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Dave! summed this up better than I - conservatives love to play the race
card by claiming the other side is (a pre-retaliatory strike, so to speak).
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Both sides are guilty, to be sure. That’s why we hate politicians,
remember? :-)
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Yes, but I believe the lowest pit of hell isn’t reserved for all politicians,
just those from Texas (though Nixon has done his darnedest to crash the
party).
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lol I would have said Massachusetts, long before JFKerry appeared! The ones
from Texas would probably appreciate the cooler weather though;-)
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So, you are saying there is no civil right to marriage at all? It is
entirely preventable by the government?
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The issue is whether the government can recognize a marriage that is defined
as a union between 1 man and 1 woman and have that not violate equal
protection. I think it can.
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And if it can, might it not decide tomorrow that marriage can’t include
people of two different races? I’d rather not have the government telling me
what I can and cannot do.
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That’s not the issue. It’s one of recognition. You can marry and do whatever
you want to do.
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I remember you saying so. And I applaud your consistency. Trouble is,
you are so in the minority that the overwhelming will of the people
cannot be ignored.
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Actually, yes it can.
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Tyranny of the minority? :-)
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Nope - the majority already agreed that it can get out of hand and accepted
that limitation. Quite a wise decision that learned from history so as to
not repeat its same mistakes.
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Well, what should happen is for someone who feels that their rights have
been violated under DOMA to take their case to court. That is where the
constitutionality of the law should be decided-- not by some yahoo
governmental employee issuing illegal and bogus marriage licenses.
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They are taking a shortcut. Either their action stands, saving the taxpayers
the court costs (because the goverment figures its laws won’t stand up and
the court action is a waste of time and money) or it takes the case to court
which is the net same effect.
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Well, how parsimonious. Since when are Democrats interested in saving instead
of spending?
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Further, issuing marriage licenses doesn’t
mean that they have any legal weight, so in effect why seek confrontation
when you have an effective pocket veto? The game-playing by both sides has
hardly begun!
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It makes me wonder what benefit gays think they are deriving from this “stand”.
It will most certainly backfire and elicit far more acrimony towards their
“cause” than any small amount of good obtained.
JOHN
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| (...) Works fine - actually, I had no idea what model it was until I just looked. I presumed it was some thing my grandfather got in the 60's - which he may have, but by it's serial number it is actually 100 years old (1904). Dang. Snickersnee? (...) (20 years ago, 11-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) Yet. Courage is standing up for something you believe in the face of the consequences - that the other side has turned out too gutless to do anything about it doesn't change that. I (...) Let me introduce you to my counter-argument: Winchester (...) (20 years ago, 10-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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