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Re: Is this an overreaction and a violation of rights?
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Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:21:22 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Frank Filz writes:
> I'm not sure why I continue debating here. It's hard to see all the
> sides of a person when the debate draws out like this. My initial
> reaction to this incident was based on a number of incidents in a very
> short time. In all likelihood I am overreacting, but remember, when we
> fail to question the legal process on a regular basis we risk the
> questions not being asked when the person is in fact innocent.
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> I don't know what to think.
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> I do know that what I have read is that hundreds were detained after
> 9-11. Sure, many of them ARE guilty of minor documentation problems, but
> is that reason to suddenly change the rules? Is that reason to lock them
> up secretly and deny them lawyers? Is that reason to lock them up
> secretly and deny them access to their countries diplomats?
>
> This year seems to have presented a large number of incidents of child
> abduction. Probably one thing which is happening is there is more
> reporting. I think we are all on edge since 9-11. In one way, the extra
> vigilance is good.
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> As far as the video, it does sound pretty damning. I don't subscribe to
> CNN and don't watch TV much at all, so I haven't seen it. I saw nothing
> however in the article I read to indicate the level. The article didn't
> mention the baby's head bouncing. I think it is right to not rely
> totally on video. By it's graphic nature, it can raise very strong
> emotions, and it can be easy to overlook less sinister causes for what
> is being seen. I'm glad more information is coming out.
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> As for my own fears of working with children, obviously they are not
> crippling me. I wouldn't have just started working with a new group of
> children in my new church if I was so afraid. It just scares me that the
> way we react to child abuse accusations can so quickly destroy someone's
> life. On one level, I can understand the Florida teaching hospital's
> reluctance to continue with those students, what would we say if they
> later turned out to be terrorists? We would rip that hospital to shreds
> for taking them on. I see the same potential if someone is falsely
> accused of child abuse. Would any place which provides for children be
> willing to take on someone who has a mark on their record?
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> Maybe it's not really such a problem, I don't know. I just don't know.
>
> Frank
I was just talking with one of my friends (who happens to be a parent--no so
with me) and he makes an astute observation--
Would this incident even be discussed if there was no 'art'? I mean, you
take a kid, broken arms, cigarette burns, bruised all over his or her body,
at hte hospital, and because there's no film or photo, there's no sound bite
the media can sensationalize.
What she did was wrong--punching and slapping, imho, undue force on a child.
I, however, have seen many parents slap the hands of their kids when the kid
reaches for something they shouldn't. The slap is accompanyied by an
explanation like 'Hot!' or 'Sharp' or something. I have seen parents do the
'time out' thing in the corner, which appears to work well, but sometimes
the child doesn't stop whatever he or she is doing, and doesn't come when
the parent calls, so the parent goes over and 'swats' the fanny of the
child--not a heavy handed slap, just a quick slap on the bum--usually gets
the childs atttention.
But anyway, the line is very wide and very gray for me, and I won't know
where I come down on it until I become a parent.
Anyway, like Frank, sometimes I just don't know.
One thing I do know is that if your child ends up in the hospital because of
your type of punishment, it's probably just a little over the top.
Dave K
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