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Subject:	Re: Is this an overreaction and a violation of rights?
Newsgroups:	lugnet.off-topic.debate
Date:	Mon, 23 Sep 2002 15:38:02 GMT
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I'm not sure why I continue debating here. It's hard to see all the sides of a person when the debate draws out like this. My initial reaction to this incident was based on a number of incidents in a very short time. In all likelihood I am overreacting, but remember, when we fail to question the legal process on a regular basis we risk the questions not being asked when the person is in fact innocent. I don't know what to think. I do know that what I have read is that hundreds were detained after 9-11. Sure, many of them ARE guilty of minor documentation problems, but is that reason to suddenly change the rules? Is that reason to lock them up secretly and deny them lawyers? Is that reason to lock them up secretly and deny them access to their countries diplomats? This year seems to have presented a large number of incidents of child abduction. Probably one thing which is happening is there is more reporting. I think we are all on edge since 9-11. In one way, the extra vigilance is good. As far as the video, it does sound pretty damning. I don't subscribe to CNN and don't watch TV much at all, so I haven't seen it. I saw nothing however in the article I read to indicate the level. The article didn't mention the baby's head bouncing. I think it is right to not rely totally on video. By it's graphic nature, it can raise very strong emotions, and it can be easy to overlook less sinister causes for what is being seen. I'm glad more information is coming out. As for my own fears of working with children, obviously they are not crippling me. I wouldn't have just started working with a new group of children in my new church if I was so afraid. It just scares me that the way we react to child abuse accusations can so quickly destroy someone's life. On one level, I can understand the Florida teaching hospital's reluctance to continue with those students, what would we say if they later turned out to be terrorists? We would rip that hospital to shreds for taking them on. I see the same potential if someone is falsely accused of child abuse. Would any place which provides for children be willing to take on someone who has a mark on their record? Maybe it's not really such a problem, I don't know. I just don't know. Frank

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		Re: Is this an overreaction and a violation of rights?
(...) I was just talking with one of my friends (who happens to be a parent--no so with me) and he makes an astute observation-- Would this incident even be discussed if there was no 'art'? I mean, you take a kid, broken arms, cigarette burns, (...) (22 years ago, 23-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Is this an overreaction and a violation of rights?
(...) After a brief thought, and remembering from a class I took yesterday on the Meyers Briggs Type Indicator, I was just thinking of something that might be useful to add here about my debating style. As an ENFP, my way of working through problems (...) (22 years ago, 23-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Is this an overreaction and a violation of rights?
(...) OK, so did you just use those two as examples of the hundreds, or is that all you've got? I'm not trying to be trite about this, but I think you could find more than two civil rights abuses in a year on any given year since you've been alive. (...) (22 years ago, 23-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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