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Re: Response to Misinformation (Some other perspectives on the tragedy)
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Sat, 15 Sep 2001 15:59:15 GMT
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Bill Farkas wrote:
> > If possession of land is respected in law, and U.S. law at least tends to
> > favor use, then how is that any group (the U.N.) can give land to third
> > group (Zionists) that was already resided upon by the Palestinians? Really
> > you are just justifying U.N. hooliganism here...
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> I didn't justify their actions. Just stated them as the catalyst.
let me add to this then - there has _always_ been a jewish settlement in Israel. Way before 1948. And since the late the 1880s, there has been a secular-jewish settlemens in Israel as well. So the UN did not give "a third group" a land that was "Palestinian" - they gave one of the groups living in the land the sovirenity to rule it. And btw, most of the arabs living there at the time stayed where they were, and are not arab-israelis. Todays "Palestinians" are mostly the people who ran away (either at '48 or '67) for fear of Israeli revenge against them. Of course, no such revenge was ever taken.
> > > They were not the aggressor. I respect the fact that the Arab people
> > > disagreed with that determination and fought to retain the land - but the
> > > fact is that they got their butts handed to them. And, after many further
> > > attempts to regain the land, they repeatedly had their butts handed to
> > > them. Reality is sometimes harsh. Israel is there and needs to be dealt
> > > with. Israel is willing to co-exist, the Palestinians are not.
> >
> > Are you admitting that the land was taken by violence -- violence backed by
> > the U.N/U.S.?
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> Yes, it was taken by violence. I have demonstrated numerous times that
> violence is not always bad and is sometimes necessary.
It was _defended_ by violence against attacking external forces - Egypt, Syria, Jordan for the most part. The land was settled by zionists over 70 or so years before that.
Dan
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