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Re: Some other perspectives on the tragedy
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Sat, 15 Sep 2001 10:30:25 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Eric Kingsley writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Eric Kingsley writes:
> > > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
> > > 
> > > > Sure. Create more martyrs. Great Idea. This sounds like the Israeli model to
> > > > deal with terrorists. Does it work for them?
> > > 
> > > Just in case you didn't notice "they" (terrorists) just made Martyrs out of
> > > thousands of people on 09/11/2001.  That was as much a mistake for them as it
> > > was for Japan to attack Pearl Harbor 12/07/1941.
> > 
> > 
> > We do not share the same understanding of the term "martyr".
> 
> Obviously...
> 
> > 
> > > We have Martyrs too and we will take appropriate actions.  They will fight
> > > back and we know that, so be it.  We (the free world) will prevail.
> > 
> > 
> > Then what? Will the deaths continue in Iraq and Israel? Will globalisation
> > continue to exploit those in the developing world? Should we nurture
> > despair? Should we live in fear? Should we prepare our children for future
> > attacks?
> 
> Much of this sounds like jibber jabber.  As for preparing out children for
> future attacks I think we need to prepare them for the fact that this is a
> reality in the world and we are going to fight it.  That means more people are
> going to die.  We should'nt live in fear, thats why we have to fight.  If we
> don't fight then they will just continue to step up their attacks on freedom.
> Unfortunately when we fight them they will fight back so more innocent citizens
> will die, but if we don't fight they will die anyway.
> 
> Since when do we "nurture despair".

Take a look at you foreign policy again.

>  We need to support the developing world
> and help them educate themselves.

Education is also required in the west.

> But before we do that we have to remove the
> threat(s).  I don't condone attacking civilian centers but I agree with Larry's
> idea of dumping flyers and giving citizens a choice.  If the choose wrong then
> they are the enemy.  That to me might be more that we should do.  As far as I
> know no flyers were dumped over New York or Washington to tell all the innocent
> Men, Women, and Children to get out of the way.
> 
> As for Iraq and Isreal, if they harbor or support terrorists then we should
> take action.  If that means bombing the hell out of military targets then so be
> it.  If a few civilians die then that is unfortunately a part of war.

But what about the terrorists that the USA has harbored and helped in the
past? What about them?

Scott A



> 
> 
> On a side note I heard one government offical who put it rather well...
> 
> When asked "if the American Public's support would hold when all the military
> casualties start comming home?"... The official said "Today (09/11/01) the
> American Public became hardened to military casualties.  Any military
> casualties will pale in comparision to the number of casualties of September
> 11th."
> 
> I can't imagine anything more true.  Americans will accept casualties to remove
> the threat.  Our soil was attacked, our home was attacked, that is much
> different then a military ship oversea's being attacked.  All America was
> attacked yesterday, that was the terrorists mistake.  The giant is fully awake,
> stay out of our way.  We are going to take care of business.  If you get in the
> way you may regret it.
> 
> 
> Eric Kingsley
> 
> > 
> > Scott A
> > 
> > > 
> > > Eric Kingsley



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(...) Obviously... (...) Much of this sounds like jibber jabber. As for preparing out children for future attacks I think we need to prepare them for the fact that this is a reality in the world and we are going to fight it. That means more people (...) (25 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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