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Re: Response to Misinformation (Some other perspectives on the tragedy)
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Sun, 16 Sep 2001 12:14:59 GMT
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Dave writes:
This will be as easy as catching the wind and holding onto it for dear life.

And given that metaphor I fail to see why it's a good idea.  The need for
vengeance will wear thin, and reality will set in.  I insist that given a
possibly impossible task, we should look for longer-lasting alternatives to
war.  And a lot of those solutions will derive from overhauling our current
foreign policies.

Your idea would have merit if we weren't talking about religious zealots
who fallow a faulty code of honor. Fanatics can't be reasoned with. The key is
to stop them from achieving their goal. If you don't believe me, I'll just post
a couple of names here to illustrate my point: David Koresh and Tim McVeigh.

Can you cite an example of a non-faulty code of honor?  If you follow the
Golden Rule: "Do NOT unto others as you would have others NOT do unto you"
-- it makes any act of aggression difficult to justify unless there is an
immediate gain to keeping the peace.

I find it interesting that in a country that supposedly valorizes religious
freedom that we are so quick to criticize anyone whose chosen religious
views do not match our own.  If the people of other faiths will leave me
alone, I would be happy to leave them alone.  Instead, I get missionaries at
my door more often than I'd like and Xtianity rammed down my throat
everywhere I turn.  Have many of you given serious thought to what a better
world we would create if we kept our own private little mythologies out of
our policy decision-making?  Live and let live...

http://www.religioustolerance.org/reciproc.htm

I see people mention that our support of Israel stems from either some
flimsy historical claim to the land, or that it is because they are the
light of democracy in the middle-east.  You know what?  Who cares?  What
makes us think that anyone elsewhere in the world needs us to dictate any
kind of idealogy to them?  And if you can't understand that, then you just
discovered what "fanaticism" really is -- the inability to see the truth two
inches from your face!

Anyway, if we can't fight a quick and efficient battle against terrorism in
this case -- then the only sensible thing is to NOT fight.  Otherwise, it's
the same tic-tac-toe game I saw last week in "Wargames."  We can't win
because the game is unwinnable...

Maybe the best offense will prove to be an excellent defense -- tighter
security in the States.  Throw in a little reexamination of foreign policy
matters so that they will achieve our TRUE collective goals, and I think we
may have a better solution than throwing money at aggression in Afghanistan...

-- Hop-Frog



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  Re: Response to Misinformation (Some other perspectives on the tragedy)
 
(...) I never claimed it was a good idea. I'm just pointing out that no good ideas have spung from this. We've proven in the past that quick surgical strikes slow the problem down, but don't stop it simply because zealots are willing to use their (...) (23 years ago, 16-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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  Re: Response to Misinformation (Some other perspectives on the tragedy)
 
(...) It's a nice idea, but since this is a 'War on Terrorism' and terrorist keep popping up where they aren't wanted, it's time to bear down for an extended game of 'Whack a Mole'. (tounge in check, but an interesting visual for me) (...) Well, (...) (23 years ago, 16-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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