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Re: Some other perspectives on the tragedy
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Thu, 13 Sep 2001 19:55:53 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Lindsay Frederick Braun writes:
> In lugnet.general, Dave Johann writes:
> > In lugnet.general, David Simmons writes:
> > > Hey everybody,
> > >
> > > We must not forget the people who died, but we should also
> > > remember that responding to violence with more violence will not make things
> > > better.
> > >
> > > David Simmons
> > >
> > > http://www.zmag.org/ZNET.htm
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> > I don't fully agree. No more terrorists=no more terrorist acts. Somehow, these
> > fanatics need to understand 'Don't mess with us, or we'll take you down
> > permanently'.
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> Correction: Terrorists are *made.* They're not born that way.
> It takes a *lot* of perceived injustice for someone to cross that
> line. If we want to stop terrorism, we have two choices:
> understanding and the rule of law or militarization and violence.
> I'm not optimistic we'll pick the right one, the way the sabres
> are being rattled.
I agree that terrorists are made, but what exactly makes them? You claim they
have perceived injustices against them. I keep hearing them referring to us as
devils. We buy their products, offer aid, preach peace and still find terrorists
twisting the knives in our backs. Sorry if I'm no longer sympathetic to their
plight. I can't remember a time in my life when Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Lybia,
and North Korea attempted to get along with the U.S. What a coincidence that all
are terrorist harboring nations. Afghanistan may shortly pay for this ignorance
if things go the way it appears they are going. Harbor a terrorist within your
borders and recieve the same punishment as that terrorist. I can't say this is a
bad idea. It's been a long time in coming.
As far as 'understanding and the rule of law', I'm not entirely certain I know
what you nean, but I take it as trying to understand where they are coming from
including their culture and government. My take is this: terrorists don't really
care thet we understand. They just want us to pay in blood. It's tough to
psychoanalyze a madman with a knife at your throat.
All I really want is for terrorists to destroy themselves, not thousands of
innocents.
> Indiscriminate vengeance will radicalize those
> still in the center, and seemingly validate the words of those
> already on the fringe, and we won't see it coming just like we
> didn't see it coming in Tehran in 1979.
Interesting, We certainly didn't see Tuesday's diabolic act coming, now did we?
I look at the Television and still can't justify a reason for trying to talk
this out.
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> > Right now, we're a laughing stock in Iraq because Saddam is still
> > doing as he pleases. Is this fair or right? Nope. Think about the last time he
> > stepped out of line. Some amount of violence is needed to keep the fanatics of
> > the world in check.
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> Perhaps. But we must make certain that in meting out "justice"
> we don't *ourselves* become violent fanatics. Don't underestimate
> that possibility--just listen to call-in talk radio any night this
> week and see what I mean. We're at a crossroads, and frankly I'm
> very afraid for the future.
As am I. I'm not a fanatic, but I believe this needs to be answered and not with
words.
> I only pray that I'm wrong. I prefer to focus on the miracle that's
> happening all throughout the New York area, the truly heartwrenching
> spectacle of people doing so much for others they wouldn't even have
> given the time of day to just 48 hours ago. That's the *true* spirit
> of America, and the true source of our strength.
So true.
> best
>
> LFB
>
> (naturally, keep this in .debate)
-Dave
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