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Re: Response to Misinformation (Some other perspectives on the tragedy)
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Sat, 15 Sep 2001 16:38:45 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
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> I think the beef that many (including myself) have with Israel about the
> *current* settlements is that they are being (or at least appear to be
> being) settled on land that was owned by someone else who was forcibly
> evicted.
This is what the Romans did to Israel. So which claim is legitimate then?
Israel's or the Palestinians?
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> Military force may well change who the government is, but it ought not to
> change who the property owners are... they have a new government but still
> ought to own the property, if they legitimately owned it before. To do
> otherwise is to be a government not bound by rule of law. And Israel prides
> itself on that, so ought to look long and hard at complying with that principle.
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> I think there is an interesting larger question here...
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> How do governments get legitimacy?
From the governed, do they not? Either by consent or by conceding. At any
rate, the governed allow what becomes.
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> If the zionists who came in during the last century peacefully bought up the
> land, and became the majority, did they have the right to constitute a new
> government? Or is the only way to get a new government to have a revolution?
> Is there no peaceful way to change? Or do you have to have a revolution to
> throw out a dictator, THEN vote to change things and perhaps partition?
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> So was the partition of Palestine legitimate? If so, why? If not, why not?
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> Libertarian dogma says there ought to be, if the citizens of Maine for
> example vote to secede, they ought to be able to do so rather than being
> retained by force. But this, of course is the real world. The US tends to
> support separatist movements, but with a lot of exceptions including in its
> own case.
But what would be the ramifications of secession be? What if half or more
states were to secede? If an independent state flounders, are they permitted
to return to their former place? This makes for many interesting questions.
Has anyone written extensively on such matters?
Bill
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