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Re: Some other perspectives on the tragedy
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Ross Crawford writes:
> >
> > Weren't several thousand (est) innocent Americans just murdered for the pursuit
> > of a (as yet unknown) goal?
>
> First of all, this is called argument from ignorance, as I'm sure you're
> aware, and it states (falaciously) that because we do not know the reason for
> X, we can assume that any reason for X is equally likely or valuable.
> Second of all, you are yet again equating--incorrectly--the deliberate murder
> of innocent civilians with the accidental death of civilians near military
> targets. You are in effect saying that if I buy a baseball bat and drive cross
> country and kill you with it, I am no more guilty of murder than if I
> accidently knocked a flower pot off a roof and it landed on your head, killing
> you. Do you live your life this way?
Not the same thing at all. Something closer would be if you buy a baseball
bat...and kill me with it you are no more guilty than if you take that same bat
and keep swinging it at a pile of baseballs when you know theres someone in the
middle with their hands and legs tied.
Or maybe a better example would be if you continually drive drunk down your
street at 3:30 in the afternoon (I'm making the assumption here that, like
Australia, that's about the time kids get home from school).
Would it be accidental when you hit one of the kids? Would it be any better
than killing me with the baseball bat? I say no.
ROSCO
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| (...) Better or worse I will not comment on. I think your example is inapplicable to this situation, but I did want to point out that american law, at any rate, distinguishes between these cases... driving drunk and killing someone is negligent (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Jeez, you're willing to go a long way for the sake of equivocation. If they are being used as human shields, then the people using them as shields are responsible for their deaths. So, no--it's not okay to murder them, and the people using (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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