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(...) I'd like God a whole lot better if he'd just bother to show up once and awhile instead of being such a deadbeat dad... Spencer (20 years ago, 8-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler wrote: <snip> (...) So I'm trying to get to sleep last night--tossing and turning around, and I find myself thinking about my foot. My foot, at that moment, was 'peeking out' from under the sheets and hanging (...) (20 years ago, 8-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Hi Anthony: Thanks for taking the time to reply. Even if you choose not to respond after this post, I hope you'll read my response, if only to get a sense of where I'm coming from. (...) I must confess that I'm not comfortable with at least (...) (20 years ago, 8-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler wrote: SNIP (...) SNIP (...) Sorry for bringing up an old thread, and for beating a dead horse. It's not in my nature to evangelize, but the Catholic in me has been bothered by these two statements. I've been (...) (20 years ago, 8-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Dave, I can give you another data point about MRIs, but everyone else has pretty much covered it that if you need it immediately, you will get it, otherwise, you'll have a long wait. I was getting something checked out and the neurologist (...) (20 years ago, 8-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, for millennia we've lived under a system that allocates resources to the economically or militarily powerful, so naturally there's a huge inequity re: who "owns" the resources. If we can fix that inequity, then we can address the others. (...) (20 years ago, 7-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Might the logical conclusion instead be that there should be no money at all, without niggling about public vs. private? I don't suggest that I have a fully fleshed-out alternative to offer, but it seems clear that the consensual hallucination (...) (20 years ago, 7-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Only insofar as THEY derived a benefit... if what they paid in taxes covered the education services they received, then no... in fact one could argue that I ought to get a credit in my accounting if what they paid was more. But this could (...) (20 years ago, 7-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) (20 years ago, 7-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I ran into this BBC article this evening: (URL) it right to hold people responsible for not stopping someone drunk from getting behind the wheel? Five years prison each for this? I really could go either way. Again, I'm not very up on modern (...) (20 years ago, 7-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Have you thought through to the logical conclusion of the path you're following? The logical conclusion is that there should be no private money at all. But then that raises an interesting question: Who decides what is reasonable to spend (...) (20 years ago, 6-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ok, here's a question on this one. If we truly believe that society owes everyone healthcare, do we include global society? Do we owe the billions of people in India and China the same standard of healthcare that is being demanded for (...) (20 years ago, 6-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But underlying technology is only one aspect. If any of the designers (at MS, Intel, or wherever) went to a public school or received a government grant for college or for subsequent research, then you are benefitting from public money. I (...) (20 years ago, 6-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I could argue the point that in fact I (and my parents) paid more into the system than we have benefited from it, and I could do so for every example you cite, I think, if I chose to do so. (as a sketch, for the first one, the computer's (...) (20 years ago, 6-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sure! Here's one example, but there are many: The computer you're using is descended from publicly funded technology for which you have not paid but from which you are reaping the benefit; this is income redistribution that favors you. The (...) (20 years ago, 6-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) How so? Can you elaborate? What routine things do I expect others to pay for on my behalf? I buy my own stuff. (...) Or the ability of his insurance to pay? (...) You wouldn't hold that person responsible for those costs to the maximum extent (...) (20 years ago, 6-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What follows is all plowed ground... The above presents a false dichotomy in my view. It suggests that either those that are unlucky suffer, or else government has to transfer income (fundamentally, at the point of a gun, since taxation is not (...) (20 years ago, 6-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Maybe the nature of "routine things" is the issue. Is a small but stitch-worthy laceration routine? How about a broken leg? Anyway, we *all* require that someone else pay for things that we consider routine, present company included. Why (...) (20 years ago, 6-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Yes, it is true that there are waits for non-critical exams and procedures. However, if it is a more serious case, the wait is usually less than a week. I have a neighbour that injured his knee back at the end of June. Several weeks of physiotherapy (...) (20 years ago, 6-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'd say our system is more "socalist" than "communist." Oddly enough, I had an MRI last night (I hurt my arm playing tennis, but an insane specialist wants to make sure I didn't have a stroke. What!?!?). I had one last week, too and I have (...) (20 years ago, 6-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) At what point do you put your libertarian ideals aside? I mean you do pay taxes, and those taxes are used for infrastructure and for protection. Some of your tax money goes to roads, most of which you will never use, but that's okay, 'cause (...) (20 years ago, 6-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "getting help"? Do you mean having someone other than yourself pay for things that are routine(1)? Isn't that just rent seeking because you don't want to pay and think you can stick someone else with it? What are we really talking about here? (...) (20 years ago, 6-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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An interesting essay I just stumbled across. (URL) makes the case that while the candidates clearly possess contrasting leadership styles, both styles are insufficient to meet the leadership challenges we are likely to face. The rest of the site (...) (20 years ago, 6-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sure, but today my access to certain procedures is limited by my income and my insurance, so I don't know that it's any better in practice. (...) Well, then we're back to the brain surgeon vs. hole-digger, aren't we? (...) Yeah, I'm not sure (...) (20 years ago, 6-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It would depend on which procedures, right? This columnist is no doubt biased and has chosen a nice sounding factoid from a friendly source: (URL) Fraser Institute points out that patients in that country (which is still held up as a model for (...) (20 years ago, 6-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's kind of how the knucklehead had characterized it. In my view, it's a question of most-widespread benefit. If 90% of the population has access to good health care, then that's great, even if access to certain procedures is limited. On (...) (20 years ago, 6-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm not sure our health care system is communist but its free*. A long wait for an MRI is not uncommon. This is due to the lack of facilities. Several private clinics have opened where you can have one done but you have to pay big bucks. (...) (20 years ago, 6-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Moc! Moc! Moc!! Bottom line is that people don't have to wait 'months' for an MRI. The naysayers always dredge up the worst case scenarios. Personal friends who have had to get an MRI have had few days, and had to wait a week once to get an (...) (20 years ago, 6-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Typical European over-simplification of a complex issue. Sure, the "breeding ground" is one benefit, but you're forgetting the huge oil and reconstruction contracts. Cheney has to secure his yearly, non-conflict-of-interest salary, after all. (...) (20 years ago, 5-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(URL) Rumsfeld questions Saddam-Bin Laden link>: "To my knowledge, I have not seen any strong, hard evidence that links the two". Can it really be true? Next he'll be saying that Saddam posed no threat and that 1,000's have died to establish a huge (...) (20 years ago, 5-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) OK. You can believe that if you wish. Let me just say this one thing - Moosehead. (...) Depends how far you have to drive. A (20 years ago, 5-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Psh. Guiness Extra Stout is the only beer really worth drinking. -- Tom Stangl *(URL) Visual FAQ home *(URL) Visual FAQ Home (20 years ago, 5-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well (URL) these guys> ship great Aussie beer to your door almost anywhere in the world. ROSCO (20 years ago, 5-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Everyone knows that Canadian beer puts all others to shame... ;) Dave K -who just wanted to pad his post count... (20 years ago, 4-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You're from the UK right? Point conceded. A (20 years ago, 4-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Looks like SpaceShipOne did it, just barely (not yet validated) (URL) a bit behind last I checked) and (URL) (this may change but it's up to date now) (20 years ago, 4-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) 'Em's fightin words! -Tim (who needs to make a point to try some Australian beer) (20 years ago, 4-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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When in LMF(1) mode I tend to scorn all governmental types, especially those at regulatory agencies. But in my more rational/pragmatic moments I realise there *are* gradations, and some regulators *are* better than others. Here is an example of (...) (20 years ago, 4-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Huh! That's Australian beer for you! Scott A (20 years ago, 4-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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I should be unkind and say: "Who cares?"... but to me, it was totally a walkaway... Bush looked baffled and confused far too much of the time and won the 'bigger idiot' contest hands down. I don't usually hold much stock in media post mortems but I (...) (20 years ago, 1-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I suppose I could have been nicer and said, "Who won the debate?" Bush looked like a bad impression of Chevy Chase when he was making faces while Kerry was talking. I couldn't figure out if he was annoyed with Kerry, somewhat drunk, or was suffering (...) (20 years ago, 1-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Honestly, don't we all need to relieve a little (URL) social tension> now and again? Presumably sodomy still would not be allowed. Dave! (20 years ago, 1-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Australia has had random breath testing for many years now. The officers set up beside the road and randomly stop drivers going past. They don't generally inspect the car, so unless they see something obviously illegal, you'll probably be ok, (...) (20 years ago, 1-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Was this in New Rome, OH? (2 URLs) (former) very existence of New Rome is, in my view, a very telling argument against allowing police to stop people without probable cause. (20 years ago, 30-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) At least in the US, there's plenty of reasons officers already have to stop drivers. Years ago, my family was stopped once for having a misaligned headlight that just so happened to be pointing in the officer's eye as he was sitting opposite (...) (20 years ago, 30-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) For me, what random testing means is that the fuzz can stop drivers without reason. This is important, as drunk-drivers often drive quite well in normal traffic if they are aware of their situation and are on familiar roads… they never pass (...) (20 years ago, 28-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek wrote: (snip) This was announced monday but I didn't notice it till today on space.com (URL) Bigelow is apparently to offer a 50M USD prize for a reusable orbital vehicle capable of docking with a (...) (20 years ago, 29-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well the only musical reference that comes to mind is the song "It's Only Natural" by Crowded House. Did they have an album of that name too? ROSCO FUT: .o-t.fun (20 years ago, 29-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Eaton wrote: <snip> (...) <snip> (...) Still doesn't change the fact that I don't have a car. I recalllll.... Central Park in fallllll..... Dave K -not one lesson! (20 years ago, 28-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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It's just too tempting. (...) Nah. They probably think of you as a narrow-minded, bigoted, right-wing, Bible-thumping homophobe because: 1) You seem adamant that everyone who argued against your point is wrong, and is also a hatemonger, solely on (...) (20 years ago, 28-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well you could try his webpage: (URL) I didn't read as much naysayer out of that as you did. It seems to me like a realistic assessment of the situation. However I suspect the writing context of the article is sloppy. I'm pretty sure some of (...) (20 years ago, 28-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) A problem for the other side, I guess, but yes, a problem. I know what the organic crowd is trying to get at, they'd rather not see manufactured banana flavourings in their milkshakes for example, and I know what the "homosexuality isn't (...) (20 years ago, 28-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) This is sort of how I feel. Of course it does seem to make unnatural a less useful term. Even supernatural is a difficult term, though it's use to separate God from God's creation (assuming you accept the existence of a creator god, or a (...) (20 years ago, 28-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I've approached Jefferson several times with sure-fire business propositions, but he never returns my calls. Something about "entangling alliances." Dave! (20 years ago, 28-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I may be misunderstanding you, but are you identifying the lack of a point of distinction (between natural and unnatural or natural and artificial) as the problem? I'm not clear on this objection, I'm afraid. (...) Yeah, I guess it's a matter (...) (20 years ago, 28-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You're citing Jefferson? You consider him "good company"? I'll have to remember that. :-) (20 years ago, 28-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) **snip** (...) Here's a sweetheart of a quote that I can believe I forgot to mention: "I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world, and do not find in our particular superstition (Christianity) one redeeming (...) (20 years ago, 28-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.general, Kevin Salm wrote: (snip) (...) Note that some people get confused by a FUT to a group without the original post appearing there. It is considered good practice by them and by others to post the original post to the group you set (...) (20 years ago, 28-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.general)
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(...) I think your definition makes a lot of sense but the problem is that it doesn't give a distinguishing metric. (I've used that to great advantage when arguing against those that argue against "artificial flavours" for example). That said, what (...) (20 years ago, 28-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) The term has invested with the connotation that I don't think it should have, honestly. In practice, the word tends to mean "altered by human intervention," but this definition is valid only if we declare that humans are not part of nature, or (...) (20 years ago, 28-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) (stuff about Virgin Galactic) Well, whether Branson is a publicity hound or not, the naysayers have come out: For example this one: (URL) was quite taken with his "even people like Nasa find it a challenge"... - It's NASA, not Nasa - NASA (...) (20 years ago, 28-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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The problem with drunk driving is the drinking (not trying to be obvious). Punishments and programs that do not address drinking will not work because if a person shows poor or no judgement when drunk, then they will continue to do this after any (...) (20 years ago, 28-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The fear of getting caught and reasonable public transport (1) means that drink-driving in urban areas is largely a thing of the past in the UK. However, in rural areas the problem is more complex… public transport is limited, the distances (...) (20 years ago, 27-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: Virgin Galactic (was Re: Some good news for a change, maybe?
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Be careful, Richard Branson's life is one big publicity stunt. Where Branson is concerned, not everything which glistens is shiny tubular bells. Search Google for "Richard Branson publicity stunt" to see what I mean. Scott A (...) (20 years ago, 27-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Natural (was: Why...)
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(...) Well, that's how I was leaning too, ie natural = occurs without human intervention. However, I have often heard the argument Dave used above, which seems to contradict that, or at least not fit it exactly. And I don't think I've ever seen a (...) (20 years ago, 28-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, everything that exists operates within the laws of nature, that doesn't mean it was created through natural processes. The natural ingredients and know-how that create a chemical concoction are natural, but the concoction itself isn't (...) (20 years ago, 28-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: 'pack, crack and pair.'
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(...) Well, our government regularly (URL) changes our electoral boundaries>, and uses lots of statistics to tell us why it needs to be done. But I'm sure they have other stats they don't show us, which they use to work out the details... Lies, lies (...) (20 years ago, 28-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) This brings up an idea that has been through my head on several occasions - if you use the definition "part of nature" for natural, then what can be defined as unnatural? After all, everything on this earth has been created by nature, either (...) (20 years ago, 28-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Are you sure it would embitter him further? I would think initially he'd almost absolutely be more bitter, but the shame of the punishment may eventually break him (were it for a period of time like 6mos). Again, I could be wrong, just (...) (20 years ago, 27-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) A word in defense of this statement; Andrew offers this as an example of me asserting that I have access to infallible truth. At face value, I can see how my statement can be interpreted that way, though it is not an interpretation with which (...) (20 years ago, 27-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) That's not how you phrased the point, initially. You presented these actions in the context of a baby's actions, and that's how I addressed them. If you wish to change the question at this time, then you must either address or cede the (...) (20 years ago, 27-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) it sounds like an awful hassle to me. A breath-tester in every car -- while the idea burns my ass, would be less hassle. Also, it might be valuable to encourage drinking near home so people could walk back. Chris (20 years ago, 27-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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If this guy was genuinely remorseful, I expect this would work. However, if he were a recidivist, it would just embitter him further. “Cruel and unusual” punishment is normally a bad idea. I expect habitual drink drivers will not let this story (...) (20 years ago, 27-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Is (URL) this> democracy? "A major reason legislative elections are becoming a charade is that the parties that control the redistricting process now routinely follow the dictum of 'pack, crack and pair.' They pack voters from the other party into a (...) (20 years ago, 27-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Virgin Galactic (was Re: Some good news for a change, maybe?
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek wrote: (stuff about SpaceShipOne) Making the rounds of the newswires today: (URL) Branson and his firm, Virgin, are to launch a new space tourism venture, in partnership with Paul Allen and Burt Rutan, (...) (20 years ago, 27-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Perhaps he was a white guy who killed a black kid? Scott A (20 years ago, 27-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The line should always be drawn based on who is attempting to oppress another, not on whose view is "correct". That's the difference between preventing oppression and allowing the majority to oppress the minority. (...) Knowing that you're (...) (20 years ago, 25-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Insisting to have one's way at the undue expense of even a single person is bad, even if you're part of the majority. Figuring out who is bearing the greater burden is the tricky part, and in this case, preventing a group to speak freely of (...) (20 years ago, 25-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Andrew, Two things: First, you're absolutely right in calling me one of the people stating opinion as fact. And I do know that I'm right. And please believe me when I tell you that I wish, more than almost anything else, that I was skilled enough at (...) (20 years ago, 26-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Yes it is tempered with common sense. What you are saying (that god exists, that he will punish gays) is not proveable. Therefore, you have a superstition that this is what will happen. No proof, no evidence in favour of it. If you have (...) (20 years ago, 25-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Allow me to say: 1. It is the connotation of the word "superstition" that is unfair, not the strict definition itself. All book knowledge must be tempered with common sense. Othewise, I would not argue with your point here. 2. Everything is opinion (...) (20 years ago, 25-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) hmm..."superstition-N. 1. Belief in the suernatureal;irrational fear of the unknwon. 2. Pracice, belief or religion based on this" "Natural-N 1a. Existing in or caused by nature. (skipped a few) 8.Physically existing." OED Therefore, from a (...) (20 years ago, 25-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) "Macro-Evolution" is a term used by pseudo-scientists. Inasmuch as evolution is merely change within a species over a very long time to the point that that species can no longer produce viable offspring with a former member of the same species (...) (20 years ago, 25-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Sir, I do hate (or strongly dislike) the results of these actions. Can you honestly tell me that you enjoy (or would enjoy) painting over permanent marks on the walls, changing poopy diapers, and scrubbing vomit out of the carpet, in and of (...) (20 years ago, 25-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Agreed, sir, but my point is simply that these people feel this way, whether they are being oppressed or not, and that is what they are reacting to. (...) Again, I agree, but in every case in life (not just this), a judgement call has to be (...) (20 years ago, 25-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Yeah, but seems like an accessory or something. I guess ultimately, the worst you can say about this guy is that he egged someone on and that person bahaved very irresponsibly. Chris (20 years ago, 24-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, until they try to dictate the behavior of others based on their own sense of morality. You can be a homophobe all you want, but the line is crossed when you try to restrict them from having the same freedom to participate that heteros (...) (20 years ago, 24-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) That's because the person who received this odd punishment didn't kill anyone. Speeding and reckless driving, yes, but it was somebody else in another car that was guilty of manslaughter. -->Bruce<-- (20 years ago, 24-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As you note, the death can't be taken back. But that person could, and this is merely an example, tour highschools giving talks to classes about what happened and why. He could fundraise for traffic safety organizations. (...) That's a (...) (20 years ago, 24-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sure. Because society somehow forgot to teach them compassion, respect, self-worth, etc. Should we wash our hands of them, dooming us to repeat offense, even if we keep them in prison? Or do we decide to look for ways to help them break the (...) (20 years ago, 24-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What restitution would you suggest for causing an accident that killed someone? Maybe I'm not being creative enough, but the person's already dead. Wouldn't the goal be making sure this person _never_ does the same thing again, and that as (...) (20 years ago, 24-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "Let's Party!" -Dionysus Though I suspect you meant Jehovah... ;-) -->Bruce<-- Green-Eyed Devil's Advocate (20 years ago, 24-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Things that are clearly wrong are those things that clearly harm others. Like abuse and neglect of children. Not like consensual sexual activities. Homosexuality isn't right because it's part of society, it's right because no one is harmed. (...) (20 years ago, 24-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Tell me this: Is an action "right" because God says so, or is it "right" regardless of what God says? If the former, then it's an arbitrary moral system. If the latter, then God is subordinate to morality and therefore he's not supreme. (...) (20 years ago, 24-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Perfect example of how laws have changed as regards to murder. At one time, it was acceptable to offer a duel to a party who insulted you. If one or the other of you died (was murdered), there was no criminal penalty. Both of you went into it (...) (20 years ago, 24-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'm not actually sure what happened. (...) What exactly did God say? Not being perfect, yourself, how do you know He said it instead of some guy with a pen? (...) Without questioning what you BELIEVE God thinks or wants, and knowing that you (...) (20 years ago, 24-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) reality, my good friend, does not always determine what is right and what is wrong. needless to say my children will know about the "reality" of homosexuality sooner than i ever did. but to say that, "homosexuality, kids, is a part of society (...) (20 years ago, 24-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Let me likewise then throw everything on the table-- I'm a Christian. I believe that God created the heavens and the earth. I believe that humanity, as stated in Genesis, was put here to be stewards of the planet and, when we get out there, (...) (20 years ago, 24-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I beg your pardon? Do you actually hate these actions when performed by a child? That strikes me as a dangerous lack of self-control on the part of a parent. Wall-writing, diaper-pooping, and flu-getting are parts of being a child; a person (...) (20 years ago, 24-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) This "stay the course" attitude is laudable in some circles but is rightly recognized as irrational stubbornness by others. Can you conceive of any circumstance that would cause you to modify your views? Can you imagine any circumstance under (...) (20 years ago, 24-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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