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Re: Why these news groups were created
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Sat, 25 Sep 2004 15:55:42 GMT
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1. It is the connotation of the word “superstition” that is unfair, not the
strict definition itself. All book knowledge must be tempered with common
sense. Othewise, I would not argue with your point here.
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Yes it is tempered with common sense. What you are saying (that god exists,
that he will punish gays) is not proveable. Therefore, you have a
superstition that this is what will happen. No proof, no evidence in favour of
it. If you have evidence in favor of your hypothisis, then you should present
it. You do not, except a book that has no more evidence for its truth than the
say of one group of people.
Therefore, you have a superstition, that god exists, and that he will punish
gays. Nothing more, or less. Using Ochm’s razor, I have a hypothisis that god
does not exist. I am open to you proving that he does exist, but like I stated,
I am not holding my breath for you to be able to prove it.
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2. Everything is opinion until it can be proven--consult OED for a definition
if you wish, but you’ll find that there is no way to “prove” that human
action is natural. Remember that by strict definition (something you seem to
like), a claim is not scientific unless it is disprovable (implying that it
is also provable).
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Everything I stated was a human nature act was a physical act. Therefore, from
the definition of nature, (physically real), it is nature. No more or
less...just like Ivory soap is 100% pure (something or other, not that it is 99
44/100% pure at all...there is 66/100% unwanted material in it, but it is still
100% pure)
(in other words, according to the definition, since a man and a man can engage
in a sexual relationship physically, it is natural...it is a physical reality
that they can do so, therefore it is a natural relationship according to one of
the definitions of natural that I stated, using a widely accepted reference to
define natural...it doesn’t mean your definition of natural has to agree with
the rest of us, but it does mean that then you are in a minority position rather
than a majority position.)
Lets look at it from a scientific proposition:
Hypothisis:
That based on natural being a real world physical action, throwing a apple
across a field is natural
Proof: I did so this morning, a physical reality. Therefore, it is natural IAW
the definition given.
Hypothisis:
That based on natural being a real world physical action, a person can jump over
the moon
Proof: Negative at this time. No person has successfully done this, and it is
unlikely that they will.
Hypothisis:
That based on natural being a real world physical action, sex between a man and
a man does not happen
Proof:
False. It does occur, therefore the hypothisis is invalid. The converse is
true (that it does happen, therefore it is natural in strict accordance with
the definition of natural given above.)
There is your scientific boleen logic laid out for you to read. It seems to me
that the answer is that it is natural IAW the definition I gave...can you refute
this? I awate your evidence in any form, but are counting it just like the
Sylvia Jone’s clock at JREF :).
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I’m not going to waste energy replying to this thread any more. It’s obvious
that there will always be another attack to refute, even though I was merely
pointing out a flaw in thinking. I will take an opposed stance on any issue
to flawed thinking, and that was my goal here.
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You always have that freedom to not reply.
James Powell
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| Allow me to say: 1. It is the connotation of the word "superstition" that is unfair, not the strict definition itself. All book knowledge must be tempered with common sense. Othewise, I would not argue with your point here. 2. Everything is opinion (...) (20 years ago, 25-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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