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Re: Why these news groups were created
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
Date: 
Tue, 28 Sep 2004 04:18:50 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler wrote:
   In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Andrew Engstrom wrote:

  
   If humans do it, then it’s natural. Nothing humans can do or conceive of doing is unnatural. Certain humans may find objectionable the actions of certain other humans, but that doesn’t make those actions unnatural.

Another opinion. Do not make the mistake of stating opinion as fact. State it as opinion. Until you do, it is very difficult to take seriously any argument you make.

You seem to be missing the point. Humans are part of nature, are they not? If you disagree, then please articulate your argument. But if you agree, then you must cede that anything that humans (who are subsets of the group Nature) do is natural (i.e., part of nature).

This brings up an idea that has been through my head on several occasions - if you use the definition “part of nature” for natural, then what can be defined as unnatural? After all, everything on this earth has been created by nature, either directly or indirectly, hasn’t it? Even the most amazing chemical concoction has been made, in the end, from natural ingredients and know-how. Is anything unnatural?

ROSCO



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  Re: Why these news groups were created
 
(...) Well, everything that exists operates within the laws of nature, that doesn't mean it was created through natural processes. The natural ingredients and know-how that create a chemical concoction are natural, but the concoction itself isn't (...) (20 years ago, 28-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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(...) That's not how you phrased the point, initially. You presented these actions in the context of a baby's actions, and that's how I addressed them. If you wish to change the question at this time, then you must either address or cede the (...) (20 years ago, 27-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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