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Re: Why these news groups were created
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Sat, 25 Sep 2004 05:34:21 GMT
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First of all, homosexuality is not a bad thing, at least not by any
objective standard not beholden to superstition.
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Sir, the fallacies of your thinking are unfathomable. You deliberately slur
my example with the facts of real life; I say this because I know that you
are an intelligent human being capable of logical thought. And in case you
aren’t, let me clarify: the term “BAD” was meant to apply only to my
illustration of my point.
Also, it is unfair to equate others’ beliefs with superstition. This puts
your opinion at the level of “infallible truth” and (intolerantly) forces
people to either agree with you or risk your repudiation for any deviance
from your perception of the truth. Please see my reply to David Laswell
(http://news.lugnet.com/off-topic/debate/?n=26047) for a further
explanation of this point.
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hmm...“superstition-N. 1. Belief in the suernatureal;irrational fear of the
unknwon. 2. Pracice, belief or religion based on this”
“Natural-N 1a. Existing in or caused by nature. (skipped a few) 8.Physically
existing.”
OED
Therefore, from a well established source, one could reasonably draw a
conclusion that what you are saying is you believe in a superstition, that of
religion in general, and more specifically in one form or another of
Christianity. because you cannot prove the existance of your supposed god.
You are entitled to believe all you want, but you are not necessarily right.
(and, by the same token, I may not be right either...but my worldview allows me
this option, and yours does not. Emperically, I don’t believe in god. If the
evidence appears to support him, then I can change my hypothisis and
believe...there is nothing wrong with that as a world view according to science,
rather than based on religion)
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If a belief is in conflict with a material fact, or if that belief is
supported by no empirical evidence, then the person who holds that belief is
not believing; he’s pretending. I’ll accept that you have a right to
pretend whatever you want to pretend, but that doesn’t give you the right to
force other people to accept what you’ve pretended.
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Sir, do you consider your opinion exempt from this? Are you superior to all
other human beings? If you would present these alleged “material facts”
without asserting that your opinion is fact, we should be happy to review it
objectively. Otherwise, stop asserting such preposterous notions! Please
review my reply to David on this subject.
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No, in exactly the method that I show above. We are open to the possiblity of
being wrong, but are not holding our breaths to be proven wrong. Your world
view, pretension, or belief does not allow you this option. If I am wrong, I am
willing to face the potential consequences of my actions...actions have
consequences for every thing we choose to do.
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One of the major arguments for homosexuality is that it’s
simply a lifestyle choice.
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If humans do it, then it’s natural. Nothing humans can do or conceive of
doing is unnatural. Certain humans may find objectionable the actions of
certain other humans, but that doesn’t make those actions unnatural.
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Another opinion. Do not make the mistake of stating opinion as fact. State
it as opinion. Until you do, it is very difficult to take seriously any
argument you make.
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See the above quote from OED. It is natural, at least in accordance with the
definition of the word according to a regular, normally available reference book
on the english language. This is a fact, in accordance with the definition
above being acceptable to the majority of people, which it should be, since by
definition that is what the word can mean.
Equally true is that incest is natural. It might not be desireable, or legal,
or good in any way, but it is natural.
So too is your belief system- you and your friends have caused it to exist in a
physical form.
It was not an opinion, but a statement that is true. It doesn’t mean that you
have to like it, but you should accept that it is a true statement.
James Powell
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Message has 1 Reply:
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| Allow me to say: 1. It is the connotation of the word "superstition" that is unfair, not the strict definition itself. All book knowledge must be tempered with common sense. Othewise, I would not argue with your point here. 2. Everything is opinion (...) (20 years ago, 25-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) Sir, I do hate (or strongly dislike) the results of these actions. Can you honestly tell me that you enjoy (or would enjoy) painting over permanent marks on the walls, changing poopy diapers, and scrubbing vomit out of the carpet, in and of (...) (20 years ago, 25-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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