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Re: LDraw.org Bylaws Drafts: Call for Public Discussion and Consensus
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Thu, 29 Jan 2004 05:17:41 GMT
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In lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
In lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, Tim Courtney wrote:
In lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, Dan Boger wrote:
On Wed, Jan 28, 2004 at 09:11:37PM +0000, Tim Courtney wrote:
The only change made between the last posting of the document to the
mail list and the posting here was in the clause Jacob addressed.
Jacob's edits still leave some ambiguity - is that what we want? If in
the future there is a candidate who's eligibility is questioned, who
makes the final decision for eligibility?

Jacob said:

  "No professional employee of The LEGO? Company or any affiliated
  or subsidiary company shall be eligible to be a Steering
  Committee Officer."

Is the ambiguity in the word "professional"?  Ok, so if we say "No
employee of TLC..." does that correct the problem?

No, the point is to make a distinction between employees who have influence on
strategy decisions within the company, and low-level employees who do not.

Thanks for the support, Larry!

But I liked the older wording of part time/student employees better than
"professional". It seemed easier to spot. If someone is part time and has
another job (Scott Lyttle for example) it ought not to preclude him. If someone
is in school to get trained for a non LEGO career, it ought not to preclude him
even if he is currently full time interning at LEGO.

Get the ambiguity out somehow and make sure everyone's clear about intent and
we're good.

OK, lets settle on a wording then. It should appear in the bylaws, because the
bylaws are written to be difficult to change, where defining in the P&P would
make the definition of 'professional' easy to change.

I think Larry's wording made sense, but maybe people are getting tripped up on
reading it in the sentence structure. What if we reworked it to read:

"No professional employee of The LEGO? Company or any affiliated or subsidiary
company shall be eligible to be a Steering Committee Officer. A 'professional
employee' is defined as; a full-time, career employee, involved firsthand in
strategy decisions within the Company. Part-time, student, or non-career intern
employees shall be eligible to be Steering Committee Officers."

Also, should we add in a mechanism for determining eligibility (ie. the current
StC votes if there are questions about a candidate being eligibile)? Or, is the
above wording clear enough that we don't need that?

-Tim



Message has 2 Replies:
  Re: LDraw.org Bylaws Drafts: Call for Public Discussion and Consensus
 
(...) That reads better to me. (...) Well maybe we need such a mechanism anyway, in case other unknown conflicts or questions arise in future? ROSCO (20 years ago, 29-Jan-04, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
  Re: LDraw.org Bylaws Drafts: Call for Public Discussion and Consensus
 
(...) I think the last sentence should be omitted as fluff. For example, the foreman of the molding plant in Billund is clearly eligible under the definition of "professional employee", as is a LEGOLAND Master Builder and the lower-level (or all?) (...) (20 years ago, 29-Jan-04, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)

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  Re: LDraw.org Bylaws Drafts: Call for Public Discussion and Consensus
 
(...) I agree with Tim here. I think there is ambiguity and I would like it removed but I do not want Tim to be barred from standing for election as a result of removing it. The issue here is that of conflict of interest. While I think Jake McKee is (...) (20 years ago, 28-Jan-04, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)

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