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Re: LDraw.org Bylaws Drafts: Call for Public Discussion and Consensus
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Thu, 29 Jan 2004 05:17:41 GMT
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In lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> In lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, Tim Courtney wrote:
> > In lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, Dan Boger wrote:
> > > On Wed, Jan 28, 2004 at 09:11:37PM +0000, Tim Courtney wrote:
> > > > The only change made between the last posting of the document to the
> > > > mail list and the posting here was in the clause Jacob addressed.
> > > > Jacob's edits still leave some ambiguity - is that what we want? If in
> > > > the future there is a candidate who's eligibility is questioned, who
> > > > makes the final decision for eligibility?
> > > 
> > > Jacob said:
> > > 
> > >   "No professional employee of The LEGO? Company or any affiliated
> > >   or subsidiary company shall be eligible to be a Steering
> > >   Committee Officer."
> > > 
> > > Is the ambiguity in the word "professional"?  Ok, so if we say "No
> > > employee of TLC..." does that correct the problem?
> > 
> > No, the point is to make a distinction between employees who have influence on
> > strategy decisions within the company, and low-level employees who do not.

Thanks for the support, Larry!

> But I liked the older wording of part time/student employees better than
> "professional". It seemed easier to spot. If someone is part time and has
> another job (Scott Lyttle for example) it ought not to preclude him. If someone
> is in school to get trained for a non LEGO career, it ought not to preclude him
> even if he is currently full time interning at LEGO.
> 
> Get the ambiguity out somehow and make sure everyone's clear about intent and
> we're good.

OK, lets settle on a wording then. It should appear in the bylaws, because the
bylaws are written to be difficult to change, where defining in the P&P would
make the definition of 'professional' easy to change.

I think Larry's wording made sense, but maybe people are getting tripped up on
reading it in the sentence structure. What if we reworked it to read:

"No professional employee of The LEGO? Company or any affiliated or subsidiary
company shall be eligible to be a Steering Committee Officer. A 'professional
employee' is defined as; a full-time, career employee, involved firsthand in
strategy decisions within the Company. Part-time, student, or non-career intern
employees shall be eligible to be Steering Committee Officers."

Also, should we add in a mechanism for determining eligibility (ie. the current
StC votes if there are questions about a candidate being eligibile)? Or, is the
above wording clear enough that we don't need that?

-Tim



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  Re: LDraw.org Bylaws Drafts: Call for Public Discussion and Consensus
 
(...) That reads better to me. (...) Well maybe we need such a mechanism anyway, in case other unknown conflicts or questions arise in future? ROSCO (23 years ago, 29-Jan-04, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
  Re: LDraw.org Bylaws Drafts: Call for Public Discussion and Consensus
 
(...) I think the last sentence should be omitted as fluff. For example, the foreman of the molding plant in Billund is clearly eligible under the definition of "professional employee", as is a LEGOLAND Master Builder and the lower-level (or all?) (...) (23 years ago, 29-Jan-04, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)

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(...) I agree with Tim here. I think there is ambiguity and I would like it removed but I do not want Tim to be barred from standing for election as a result of removing it. The issue here is that of conflict of interest. While I think Jake McKee is (...) (23 years ago, 28-Jan-04, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)

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