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Re: Rückkehr der Raumnazin
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Mon, 2 Jan 2006 17:34:31 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Ross Crawford wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
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You make this sound like an everyday occurrence. We have done this to
some, but the fact is that their religion doesn’t really enter in to it,
but rather their actions.
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So why do you call them
“islamo-fascists”, and not “alleged terrorists”????
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I was speaking specifically about the people who are incarcerated. The
purpose of their detention is what they’ve done, not what they believe
(although it is the motivation behind what they did).
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But that’s the whole problem. The only evidence we have that these detainees
are terrorists is, basically, Dubya’s assertion that they’re terrorists.
They’re denied all due process and access to lawyers, and in many cases they’ve
been held for years without ever being charged. One could as easily decry that
policy as Christo-fascist; since its architects are Christian, and numerous
high-profile examples exist in which leading policy apologists infuse their
rhetoric with Christian invective. Sure, they might not be real Christians,
but I’d say the same of the so-called Islamo-fascists, who are not real
Muslims.
It’s no good to assert that the detainees are bad people deserving of detention
unless they are subject to due process. Instead, Dubya is scooping up (and in
not a few cases allowing to be tortured) people who happen to be Muslim but who
have committed no other terrorist act.
Before anyone calls for my evidence that these people are innocent, I remind the
reader that Dictator Dubya has by fiat refused to allow any evidence to be aired
or any defense to be mounted. However, I recall a time when people were
presumed innocent until proven guilty.
When Dubya repealed the presumption of innocence, the terrorists won, because
Dubya killed a cornerstone of American culture and history.
Dave!
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| (...) Enemy combatants are treated differently than US citizens. This has always been the case. (...) Well, if you had Christian leaders invecting from the pulpit to incarcerate Muslims, I might be inclined to agree (which is the analogy to Mullahs (...) (18 years ago, 2-Jan-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) I was speaking specifically about the people who are incarcerated. The purpose of their detention is what they've done, not what they believe (although it is the motivation behind what they did). So my point was that we do not simply detain (...) (18 years ago, 2-Jan-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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