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Re: Rückkehr der Raumnazin
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Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:10:32 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Mike Yoder wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
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...because if this possibility is even remotely on your radar then you are
not paying very close attention.
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Lets see if I’m paying attention. Hatecrimes in the U.S against Muslims or
anyone who even looks Muslim have risen dramatically since 911 and the War on
Terrorism began.
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Cites?
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The U.S government regularly sends reconnaissance teams to
spy on Mosques and moniter them for radiation.
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And you think this is a bad idea?
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We have deported thousands of
law abiding Muslims from the U.S., often breaking up families.
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Are they illegals? (which would mean that the very first thing they did upon
entering the US was break the law)
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We arrest
Muslims without charge, and hold them without representation, often for
years.
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You make this sound like an everyday occurrence. We have done this to some, but
the fact is that their religion doesn’t really enter in to it, but rather their
actions.
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We torture Muslim prisoners,
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Is putting womens underwear on someone’s head torture in your mind? What kind
of torture are you talking about?
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or use extraordinary rendition to send
them to secret prisons throughout the world to be tortured.
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If they are secret, how do you know about them?
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The U.S.
government moniters our internet and phone conversations, including this
thread, because it’s full of flagged words.
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Do you have a better method of defending our country against terrorism? This
method you describe is actually very effective and has thwarted actual plots
that would have killed possibly 1,000s of people.
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Each of these examples by themselves can be dismissed as neccessary if
distasteful indiscretions needed to carry out the War on Terror and protect
the American people, but viewed together begin to paint a disturbing image.
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Yes. That fighting such an enemy in conventional ways won’t work. The world
has changed; now, 1 piece of excrement in the form of a man has the ability to
kill literally millions of innocent people single-handedly. Does this not
give you pause? Do you not believe that there are 1,000s of people in this
world who would gladly give their lives and do absolutely anything they could to
destroy our way of life-- including detonating a nuke on our soil, if at all
possible? It is said that we lost our innocence on 9-11. But however horrible
9-11 was, it would be a picnic in comparison to a nuclear explosion in one of
our major cities. Can we put this all in perspective before we get our undies
in a bunch over a bunch torturing with undies?
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My point is that by studying the build-up of Nazi power, we can see the
disasterous potential of the slippery slope we have put our own country and
the rest of the world on.
I’m probably wrong, but why take the chance?
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You are wrong to make the analogy between the rise of Hitler and our current
government because the 2 are nothing alike. To refute your claim is pointless
because it is so obviously inaccurate. Criticize our government all you want
(and be ready to offer effective solutions), but please leave the tired Nazi
analogies out of it.
JOHN
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Message has 2 Replies:
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| (...) The analogy is tired, but it is a good example of a modern western leader elected in a democratic process with promises to make the average citizen's life better who ended up bringing devastation to his country and the world. We obviously have (...) (19 years ago, 30-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) Lets see if I'm paying attention. Hatecrimes in the U.S against Muslims or anyone who even looks Muslim have risen dramatically since 911 and the War on Terrorism began. The U.S government regularly sends reconnaissance teams to spy on Mosques (...) (19 years ago, 30-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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