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Re: Rückkehr der Raumnazin
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Fri, 23 Dec 2005 23:34:59 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Timothy Gould wrote:
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Dude. Nazism and Nazi symbols are offensive to Germans. Period. What is
so hard to understand about that? Your little science project is doomed
from the beginning. I mean, shesh-- imagery like that is illegal in a
Democratic State, for crying out loud. What’s funny about that?
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I disagree with that Period you’ve got there. The recent film The Downfall
seemed to be fairly well received
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/3675318.stm
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That brings to my mind another discussion that I would love to have in this
forum. It involves the penchant Liberals have for trying to understand evil.
It is a very dangerous and foolish notion, as exemplified by this movie (I
assume, as I read the intro to the article: “A movie which depicts Nazi dictator
Adolf Hitler’s softer side has topped the German box office.”) I haven’t the
time to fully lay out my case, but it is an issue I’d love explore with those
with whom I probably will disagree.
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Well it’s not a new idea to make a joke out of nazism. Mel Brooks
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He’s a Jew. Different issues there.
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He didn’t experience the Nazis as far as I know
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Melvin Kaminsky served in North Africa during WW2 with the US Army according to
Wik.
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so I disagree that his racial
background justifies his right to make them. Although I agree he does have a
right to make them, much as Al does.
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and Hogan’s
Heroes spring to mind.
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That show is about forty years old.
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It is still shown today and was remade into a movie recently so that argument
isn’t entirely valid.
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I personally don’t think any subject should be out of
bounds for humour, but it depends a lot on the execution. I’m hoping I
carried it off well enough, but that’s ultimately up to the audience.
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Not for any German audience I suspect. Just as only blacks can call each
other the N-word, and Jews have “permission” to joke about Jews, I would
guess that only a German would have any hope of making light of that
subject, and certainly not an outsider from Aussie.
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Would an outsider from USian be any better ;)
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You’re right, but I’m not making swastika spaceships, either!
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The perspective argument has
merit but I can’t consider it a reason not to make those jokes. This work is
obviously satirical and the use of the much maligned Jack Stone figures
brings an interesting perspective on it since they have a similar role in
AFOLdom to what Jews had in most of the world at the time of Nazism.
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I categorically can’t find it funny because I know that it offends
Germans. Hey, just for kicks-- go post your MOC on 1000Steine and see what
happens. If that idea gives you pause, then maybe there are some deeper
issues to which you are oblivious and should have addressed before you
embarked on your build.
JOHN
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Not posting it to 1000Steine is respecting the (probable) views of the
majority of its audience. Lugnet has a more diverse readership and this
balance is why it is acceptable to post imagery and satire like Al’s or
Richie’s here. It has nothing to do with oblivion or lack thereof.
Just some thoughts,
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Yeah, but Tim, the LUGNET audience also includes minors. I see absolutely no
difference in not posting in 1000Steine out of respect for Germans, and not
posting to LUGNET out of respect for Germans. And that is my whole point in a
nutshell.
JOHN
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| --SNIP-- (...) Are you saying that trying to understand things is a bad idea? At one point schizophrenics were considered "evil" and "possessed" and even if they had done no harm to anyone they would be persecuted and worse. Fortunately people have (...) (19 years ago, 24-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| --SNIP-- (...) I disagree with that Period you've got there. The recent film The Downfall seemed to be fairly well received (URL) (...) He didn't experience the Nazis as far as I know so I disagree that his racial background justifies his right to (...) (19 years ago, 22-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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