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Re: Rückkehr der Raumnazin
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Sat, 24 Dec 2005 16:41:06 GMT
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I think we pretty much agree about the differences in attitude to capital
punishment so... --SNIP--
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I can think of many similar examples such as the considered merit of
social-democratic economic models (considered highly important by most
Scandinavians) and the importance of privacy (quite different views
between Anglophone nations and European nations for the most part).
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Personally, I’m for what works. Socialism, Communism, Totalitarianism
don’t work. Our system, though far from perfect, is far superior [1] to
any other iteration thus far implimented.
JOHN
[1] In terms of economic power, military power, scientific breakthroughs,
productivity, among others.
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That’s an interesting analysis and doesn’t really argue against what I was
saying (some could tenuously argue it supports my point).
To keep with your off topic argument though: Arguing that socialism doesn’t
work is a patently false argument. For example, the USA has the worlds
least efficient health care service even though it is largely based around
a capitalist system.
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All I hear about is waiting lists for transplants, etc. in countries with
socialized medicine. The rich come here to have their cake and have it
transplanted, too.
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All I hear about the USAs medical system is people dying on the street or in
ambulances waiting to find a hospital to save their life. This is more a
representation of media selection than an accurate snapshot of a countries
medical system. Some rich Americans go to countries like Australia or the UK for
specialist operations too so it’s not a one way feed.
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If we weren’t a safety net for socialist societies’
shortcomings, there would have been hell to pay long ago.
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I’ve heard this argument before and it ignores both the massive contribution to
medicine of doctors from State-run medical systems (most notably Australia,
France and the UK) and the fact that a lot of medical research in the US is
State-funded (through university grants). Overall, I call BS on it.
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That is not to say that our system is perfect. Far from it. But it is the
best in the world IMO. Bottom line is that I would rather have a doctor
operate on me who has an incentive to do a good job, rather than one who
doesn’t.
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I would rather have doctors who are working on their own merit, rather than how
much money their parents could afford to use to send them to medical school.
You’ll also find that the pay rate for good doctors is quite high under most
State-run medical systems.
For a market economy to work properly it needs a free flow of goods (in this
case intelligent minds) and readily available information. Since the former is
unavailable to the same extent in a capitalist medical system and the latter is
unavailable in any medical system, I would favour a centrally controlled system
run by experts.
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Likewise highly socialist Norway is a richer country on
just about any system of measurement than the USA.
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Please. Norway is living in a fantasy world. When their golden goose runs
dry (hmmm, mixed metaphors:-) they are literally going to be in a world of
hurt.
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I take it you know don’t know much about Norway then. I think you’ll find that
it is quite prepared for when the oil runs out.
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But then, maybe socialism only works in some countries and not others.
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Only those who have unlimited resources at their disposal?
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It certainly helps but isn’t neccessary. I think you’ll find that the
Scandinavian countries tend to have robust economies under a socialist system
and they don’t have a great deal of natural resources (excepting Norway)
compared to countries like the USA or Australia.
I agree that the USA probably wouldn’t run so well under such a system. Which of
course goes back to my original argument that different ideas have different
merit in different countries.
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And, of course,
customers who are willing to pay $$$ for their golden eggs....
JOHN
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I think you might be confusing Socialism with Communism here. Socialism operates
within a capitalist system and thus allows for such customers.
Tim
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