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| | | (...) Dude. Nazism and Nazi symbols are offensive to Germans. Period. What is so hard to understand about that? Your little science project is doomed from the beginning. I mean, shesh-- imagery like that is illegal in a Democratic State, for crying (...) (19 years ago, 22-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | Re: Rückkehr der Raumnazin —Timothy Gould
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| | | | | --SNIP-- (...) I disagree with that Period you've got there. The recent film The Downfall seemed to be fairly well received (URL) (...) He didn't experience the Nazis as far as I know so I disagree that his racial background justifies his right to (...) (19 years ago, 22-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | Re: Rückkehr der Raumnazin —John Neal
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| | | | | | (...) That brings to my mind another discussion that I would love to have in this forum. It involves the penchant Liberals have for trying to understand evil. It is a very dangerous and foolish notion, as exemplified by this movie (I assume, as I (...) (19 years ago, 23-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Rückkehr der Raumnazin —Timothy Gould
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| | | | | | --SNIP-- (...) Are you saying that trying to understand things is a bad idea? At one point schizophrenics were considered "evil" and "possessed" and even if they had done no harm to anyone they would be persecuted and worse. Fortunately people have (...) (19 years ago, 24-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Rückkehr der Raumnazin —John Neal
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| | | | | | (...) Just evil. (...) So are you implying that one day we will totally understand evil? (...) Not at all. I am proposing self-censorship; in other words acting civilized and responsibly. It is the same old stuff I've been ranting about for years:-) (...) (19 years ago, 24-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Rückkehr der Raumnazin —Samarth Moray
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| | | | | | | (...) LOL then why bother trying to understand why Al posted this MOC in the first place? (19 years ago, 24-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Rückkehr der Raumnazin —Timothy Gould
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| | | | | | --SNIP-- (...) Like schizophrenics? (...) No. But I'm saying that "evil" isn't always as it appears. Sometimes someone who claims to have been controlled by demons is a liar, sometimes he hasn't been given the correct medicine. This simplistic (...) (19 years ago, 24-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | Re: Rückkehr der Raumnazin —Kevin Heckel
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| | | | | (...) What about the Jewish community? One might think they'd be offended, too. But points for looking out for people's feelings. Let's see, who else could be offended? I imagine Asians might be offended, because it reminds them of how the symbol (...) (19 years ago, 22-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | Re: Rückkehr der Raumnazin —John Neal
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| | | | | | (...) Of course. But some Jews have dealt with the Nazis by mocking them (Mel) and even some Jews find those Jews offensive... (...) <shrug> There is nothing new under the sun. Are we sure that "they" invented it, or did "they" "steal" it from some (...) (19 years ago, 22-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Rückkehr der Raumnazin —Ross Crawford
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| | | | | | | (...) Tel me John, did you perceive (URL) this post> as mocking? Just asking, because it's a similar situation - lar condemning my post because he thought I was mocking you. My point is, I don't see any point in a third person weighing in on a (...) (19 years ago, 22-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Rückkehr der Raumnazin —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | (...) The net's a funny thing. Sometimes it hard to tell one way or the other. "Fuss" in American English can carry a negative connotation. I'll bet if you had chosen a different word, Lar might have taken it differently. But you did include a (...) (19 years ago, 22-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Rückkehr der Raumnazin —Kevin Heckel
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| | | | | | | (...) I think I need to make my original question more explicit. Of all the many reasons to object to a swastika spaceship, I'd like to know why you chose "because it offends Germans". Why didn't you once mention the feelings of Jews? Is it because (...) (19 years ago, 22-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Rückkehr der Raumnazin —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | (...) I mention Germans because there are a lot of German AFOLs. I know some personally. They are great guys. And I would rather not have them believe that English speaking people are a bunch of jerks who joke about things which are uncomfortable (...) (19 years ago, 23-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Rückkehr der Raumnazin —Kevin Heckel
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| | | | | | | | | (...) So you mean to say Germans can't take a joke, and need defending. Alright then, good enough for me. (...) So what does that mean? That Germans are made more uncomfortable by it than Jews? (...) I'm glad to hear you don't have anything against (...) (19 years ago, 23-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Rückkehr der Raumnazin —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Not at all. Germans have a very keen sense of humor. I mean that making light of something very disturbing to someone else is not a very civil thing to do, no matter how keen their sense of humor is. And it is uncomfortable for me to watch (...) (19 years ago, 23-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Rückkehr der Raumnazin —Allister McLaren
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| | | | | | | | (...) Controversy? You're the only one making a fuss here, John. (...) Very prissy. Maybe even prudish. How about patronising? But hey, it's your life. Yes, lego is a child's toy. But, I am not a child, and neither are you, which makes it also an (...) (19 years ago, 23-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Rückkehr der Raumnazin —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | (...) You: "My interest has less to do with nazism itself than the reaction displaying it’s symbols still generates even today" That sounds provocative, even if you aren't trying to be. (...) Patronizing? To whom? Children who might read this public (...) (19 years ago, 23-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Rückkehr der Raumnazin —Ross Crawford
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Please don't make JLUG something it isn't. From the user agreement: "This forum is for discussing any facet of creating with bricks but is intended for a mature audience." There is NOTHING about being an adult board, or needing to be an adult (...) (19 years ago, 23-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Rückkehr der Raumnazin —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) I apologize Rosco, I certainly didn't mean to misrepresent JLUG. Since I am not a member, I am not too familiar with it, but I did notice "the bar" which is "adults only" and it is that particular section to which I was referring. That is what (...) (19 years ago, 23-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Rückkehr der Raumnazin —Ross Crawford
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) No, it is not. The description of the Bar is "General stuff about anything you like! Smack encouraged. Don't forget to tip the barman. You must log in to enter the Bar, and don't upset Bruno the Bouncer.". I fail to see where "adults only" is (...) (19 years ago, 23-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Rückkehr der Raumnazin —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Why must one "log in" to the bar then? What is different about it? I see I totally misunderstood JLUG. I thought that all of the swearing, adult-themed banter, etc took place in the "Bar". After perusing the site, I see that pretty much (...) (19 years ago, 24-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Rückkehr der Raumnazin —Ross Crawford
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) No problem - not everyone can (URL) grok JLUG>. ROSCO (19 years ago, 24-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Rückkehr der Raumnazin —Allister McLaren
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| | | | | | | | (...) From the Lugnet Terms Of Use: "LUGNET and its owners and/or operators do not control or censor content in discussion groups. The LUGNET discussion group server is provided as a “store and forward” mechanism “as is” without filters, which means (...) (19 years ago, 24-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Rückkehr der Raumnazin —Allister McLaren
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| | | | | | (...) Ah, so you did think it was funny. Cheers. a (19 years ago, 22-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Rückkehr der Raumnazin —John Neal
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| | | | | | (...) Ha, nice try, but no. Hence the quotes around "see". What I was talking about was our perception of the humor is different than someone who is object of the humor. I think I already stated somewhere that I didn't find it humorous at all, but (...) (19 years ago, 23-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | Re: Rückkehr der Raumnazin —Johannes Koehler
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| | | | | Hello! (...) You are right. Many Germans are offended by this topis. Either because they think it's inappropriate to make fun about, or because they constantly assume they are supposed to feel guilty. I'm not offended, though, I'm just curious. (...) (19 years ago, 22-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Rückkehr der Raumnazin —Alex Mallinson
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| | | | | (...) It's not as clear-cut as that. I agree that humour can and should push the boundaries of taste and I'm deeply concerned when people imply that humour can be derived from certain subjects only by certain groups. We laugh often because we are (...) (19 years ago, 22-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | Re: Rückkehr der Raumnazin —Allister McLaren
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| | | | | (...) So, if I understand you correctly, only innoffensive and legal things are appropriate subjects for humour? News to me, and almost every comedian on the planet. (...) Maybe for you. (...) The war was even longer ago than that. I'm not sure (...) (19 years ago, 22-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX) !
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| | | | | | | Re: Rückkehr der Raumnazin —Eric Sophie
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| | | | | | | (...) Gentleman, you both make compelling arguments. I take Allister at his word on his motivations. He was pretty clear about that. I also trust that John is speaking his mind on the subject. He was pretty clear about that. Let's just not fault (...) (19 years ago, 22-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Rückkehr der Raumnazin —John Neal
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| | | | | | (...) No, you don't understand me correctly. (...) Which part? And what is "a bit racist" as opposed to simply "racist"? Sorry, I just think that that term is getting a little overused these days... (...) I can't, because it doesn't. Never said it (...) (19 years ago, 23-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Rückkehr der Raumnazin —Allister McLaren
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| | | | | | (...) Good. I can now safely ignore the rest of your blathering. a (19 years ago, 23-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Rückkehr der Raumnazin —John Neal
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| | | | | | (...) Ideas don't have nationalities. They either have merit or not. Yours didn't for the reasons I gave. You obviously thought it did. So the arguments are laid out. As if it weren't ever safe to ignore my blathering. JOHN (19 years ago, 23-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Rückkehr der Raumnazin —Timothy Gould
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| | | | | | (...) Actually, I think you'll find the considered merit of ideas have quite distinct nationalities. For example most of the developed world considers the idea of capital punishment abhorrent and barbaric whilst the USA considers it to be in (...) (19 years ago, 23-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Rückkehr der Raumnazin —John Neal
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| | | | | | (...) I disagree. Your perception that the USA is in any way unified on the topic of capital punishment is incorrect-- just ask ==>Bruce<== or Dave! It's funny. Ask any American how they feel about capital punishment; I would guess most people would (...) (19 years ago, 24-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Rückkehr der Raumnazin —Timothy Gould
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| | | | | | | (...) I never said it was unified, but I believe a majority of USAians support it (and thus, through democratic process the USA supports it) in principle at the least and a significantly higher proportion believe in the practise of it than in any (...) (19 years ago, 24-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Rückkehr der Raumnazin —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | (...) It is currently a state issue, not a federal one. Some states have the death penalty, some don't (16 of 50 don't I believe). (...) I only mention it to illustrate how hard it is to get a response on the death penalty were one to try and take a (...) (19 years ago, 24-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Rückkehr der Raumnazin —Timothy Gould
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| | | | | | | | I think we pretty much agree about the differences in attitude to capital punishment so... --SNIP-- (...) All I hear about the USAs medical system is people dying on the street or in ambulances waiting to find a hospital to save their life. This is (...) (19 years ago, 24-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Rückkehr der Raumnazin —Johannes Koehler
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| | | | | | | | Hello! (...) They probably are already breeding an army in order to invade Nigeria or Venezuela to get their oil. As for the original topic of this thread: I just wanted to know what makes "Nazi" fascinating for you. ("you" as in a general "you", (...) (19 years ago, 28-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Rückkehr der Raumnazin —Mike Yoder
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| | | | | | | | | (...) I am from the United States of America, and I must admit that there are many things that fascinate me about the rise to power of Hitler and the Nazi party. The questions I hear most people say include, "How could a whole country allow such an (...) (19 years ago, 29-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Rückkehr der Raumnazin —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Huh? (...) Your equivocation is offensive at best. You'd better study your history better in order to be unaffected by its cyclical nature.... (...) ...because if this possibility is even remotely on your radar then you are not paying very (...) (19 years ago, 29-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Rückkehr der Raumnazin —Mike Yoder
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Lets see if I'm paying attention. Hatecrimes in the U.S against Muslims or anyone who even looks Muslim have risen dramatically since 911 and the War on Terrorism began. The U.S government regularly sends reconnaissance teams to spy on Mosques (...) (19 years ago, 30-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Rückkehr der Raumnazin —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Cites? (...) And you think this is a bad idea? (...) Are they illegals? (which would mean that the very first thing they did upon entering the US was break the law) (...) You make this sound like an everyday occurrence. We have done this to (...) (19 years ago, 30-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Rückkehr der Raumnazin —Mike Yoder
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) The analogy is tired, but it is a good example of a modern western leader elected in a democratic process with promises to make the average citizen's life better who ended up bringing devastation to his country and the world. We obviously have (...) (19 years ago, 30-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Rückkehr der Raumnazin —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) So, you are saying that our current government has brought devastation to our country and the world, is that correct? (...) That well may be true, but it is not necessarily my objective to move you on any particular position, but at least to (...) (19 years ago, 1-Jan-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Rückkehr der Raumnazin —Mike Yoder
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Yes! Yes! A thousand times yes! Mostly economic and social destuction, but in Iraq physical destruction as well! Recently South Korean farmers publicly commited suicide as an act of protest against flooding their countries markets with cheap (...) (19 years ago, 1-Jan-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Rückkehr der Raumnazin —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Economic destruction? All I've seen is 2 of the most horrific economic disasters strike during Bush's tenure (9-11 and Katrina, neither of which can be attributed to the Bush Administration), and yet our economy still grows. To what economic (...) (19 years ago, 2-Jan-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Rückkehr der Raumnazin —Mike Yoder
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) First of all, you gotta think globally for a minute. Believe it or not, there's a whole world out there beyond our borders, and our actions have consequences that can be felt throughout. But now that you mention OUR economy, to what indicators (...) (19 years ago, 2-Jan-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Rückkehr der Raumnazin —Ross Crawford
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) So why do you (URL) call them "islamo-fascists">, and not "alleged terrorists"???? ROSCO (19 years ago, 2-Jan-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Rückkehr der Raumnazin —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) I was speaking specifically about the people who are incarcerated. The purpose of their detention is what they've done, not what they believe (although it is the motivation behind what they did). So my point was that we do not simply detain (...) (19 years ago, 2-Jan-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Rückkehr der Raumnazin —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) But that's the whole problem. The only evidence we have that these detainees are terrorists is, basically, Dubya's assertion that they're terrorists. They're denied all due process and access to lawyers, and in many cases they've been held for (...) (19 years ago, 2-Jan-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Rückkehr der Raumnazin —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Enemy combatants are treated differently than US citizens. This has always been the case. (...) Well, if you had Christian leaders invecting from the pulpit to incarcerate Muslims, I might be inclined to agree (which is the analogy to Mullahs (...) (19 years ago, 2-Jan-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Rückkehr der Raumnazin —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) In fact, this has only "always" been the case since Dubya created the term "enemy combatant" out of the firmament. It didn't exist prior to his declaration of permanent war on terror, at least not as a supra-legal designator for "people whom (...) (19 years ago, 3-Jan-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Rückkehr der Raumnazin —Anita Eenink
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| | | | | | | | (...) I can only speak on my own experience as to why I find it an interesting subject. My parents lived in Holland during the Nazi occupation and so have told me stories (especially my father as my mother was very young at the time) about things (...) (19 years ago, 30-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Rückkehr der Raumnazin —Allister McLaren
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| | | | | | (...) I guess at least that gives me a better idea of what you find funny. (19 years ago, 24-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | Re: Rückkehr der Raumnazin —Pete White
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| | | | (...) Menstruating women may find the use of 'Period' in a one word sentence offensive. Whatever happened to the 'German Democratic Republic' ? (...) Available on cable/satellite channel TV1 at 3pm this arvo (in Australia). (...) Israel seems to (...) (19 years ago, 23-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | Re: Rückkehr der Raumnazin —John Neal
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| | | | (...) Ironically, I'd bet more women would find your statement more offensive than mine. (...) I used the indefinite article, meaning that in a free democratic state, there is draconian intolerance on this issue, so one should conclude that they (...) (19 years ago, 23-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | Re: Rückkehr der Raumnazin —Allister McLaren
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| | | | (...) Holy crap! Now only WWII veterans can make jokes about Nazis? You've really got your work cut out for you now. (...) Only Australians are allowed to use it. From USAians it's deeply offensive. a (19 years ago, 23-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | Re: Rückkehr der Raumnazin —John Neal
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| | | | (...) Okay, I take it from your facetious tone that you are finished with any serious discussion. That's fine. j (19 years ago, 23-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | Re: Rückkehr der Raumnazin —Eric Sophie
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| | | | (...) Good, let it go ya'll. e (19 years ago, 23-Dec-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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