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(...) I agree. I've always found the lack of sexual and sexuality topics here on LUGNET (and the LEGO hobby as a whole) refreshing. I get enough of that from the media and other places in my life, it's nice to get a break from it and just enjoy the (...) (20 years ago, 14-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm from the same mind set. LUGNET is about LEGO. Not cooking and LEGO, not water skiing and LEGO. Just LEGO. Why is it necessary to discuss sexual orientation and how it relates to LEGO here on LUGNET? The LUGNET community is a family affair (...) (20 years ago, 14-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Now there's a topic worthy of off-topic.debate! (...) I agree! Parents should feel comfortable, knowing that no topics contained herein will harm their children. It is a very serious shame that many parents are so confused aout right and wrong and (...) (20 years ago, 14-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Don't try and turn this into a homophobic issue. Topics WRT to sex are inappropriate for a family-safe site like LUGNET (save off-topic.debate) (...) You can respect the desires of some parents who don't wish their children exposed to these (...) (20 years ago, 14-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I think the point was that why should sexual orientation of any kind be a topic on a LEGO hobby site such as LUGNET. I believe it's the love of LEGO that has brought us together on here, beyond that I don't think we need to single out folks (...) (20 years ago, 14-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Agreed 100%. -Tim (20 years ago, 14-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I really don't think Teddy was asking for a group in which to hold explicit sexual discussion. Of course outside interests have an impact on what you do with your LEGO hobby. I imagine most of the train guys are fans of real trains. I build a (...) (20 years ago, 14-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.org)
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(...) (note that my agreement with James is my own opinion and shouldn't be confused with the collective opinion of any groups I represent or am part of) (20 years ago, 14-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(snippage) (...) Just to clarify. I wasn't suggesting that there would be explicit sexual content just content that is sexual in nature and on a site dedicated to a childs toy it would be inappropriate. I am not trying to vilify Teddy or his (...) (20 years ago, 14-Sep-04, to lugnet.people, lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.org)
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(...) It isn't. By the same token it isn't *NECESSARY* to discuss religion and how it relates to LEGO, but that occurs pretty much every time Rev Brendan posts an update. I would welcome posts from LGBT AFOLs about their MOCs etc. That said, I see (...) (20 years ago, 14-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Ruling out explicit sexual images/discussion - what does "content that is sexual in nature" mean? Is (URL) this> sexual in nature? How about (URL) this>? What about their gay equivalents? Marc Nelson Jr. (20 years ago, 15-Sep-04, to lugnet.people, lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.org, FTX)
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(...) John, I have mixed views on this but I'm pretty sure Ed is a nice guy who would not want to offend anyone and he would make sure all his posts fell within the ToS. So before we talk about what is "family-safe", why not cancel your posts which (...) (20 years ago, 15-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Don't try and turn this into a genophopic issue. Sex is a family-safe topic. The only reason such discussion doesn't belong here is because the owners say so. (...) I'm not willing to reduce myself to the lowest common denominator of thought (...) (20 years ago, 15-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I happen to not understand why the homosexual AFOLs would want to ghettoize themselves that way either. And I'm not going to cry about it if there's no support for creating such a club. It doesn't affect me particularly. AND, I think it's (...) (20 years ago, 15-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) A gaygroup isn't about sex, it's about understanding eachother and not having to explain everyting. Some people (no one in particular) seem to think homosexuality is about sex. It is not! I think it would be nice to have a GLBT-group. I would (...) (20 years ago, 15-Sep-04, to lugnet.people, lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.org)
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The Transition Team is discussing this and I hope that some formal statements will be forthcoming, where necessary and appropriate, in due time. Meanwhile I hope everyone can discuss aspects of this calmly and rationally (which in my view everyone (...) (20 years ago, 15-Sep-04, to lugnet.people, lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.org)
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(...) I had a conversation with fellow rtlTers about this very thing-- "Hey, what if some gay person showed up at our train show?" Who cares? "What if he or she brought a rainbow coloured LEGO brick boxcar to put on the layout?" First of all, that'd (...) (20 years ago, 15-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I think Kevin has a very good point in his post: [quote] A group like this is useful for the same reason that LGBT concert bands, choirs, softball teams, gardening clubs, book clubs, square dancing groups, churches, RV'er and camping groups, (...) (20 years ago, 15-Sep-04, to lugnet.people, lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.org)
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(...) Hmmm, I think we're in agreement but it's not coming out clear. My point is why do we need to have a separate group for gay MOCs (not sure what a gay MOC would be). There is pretty much an correct group for pretty much any MOC, including (...) (20 years ago, 15-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Or, really, why we even have things like LUGNET. About 10 years ago I came out of my dark age and had no way of finding like-minded individuals, until I eventually found RTL and LUGNET. The sea of "normal Non-Lego" people is overwhelming. And (...) (20 years ago, 15-Sep-04, to lugnet.people, lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.org)
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(...) First of all, if you plan on having such a group, do you not know that LEGO HAS made pink as a color in the past? I would think that a homosexual group would at least match the typical homosexual agenda on such a small issue like that on here. (...) (20 years ago, 16-Sep-04, to lugnet.people, lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.org)
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(...) Thank you Larry. My mind is boggling at the number of people who are posting what boils down to: "I don't understand why it should exist, so it shouldn't" It is quite usual when there is a small group within a majority group, for members of (...) (20 years ago, 16-Sep-04, to lugnet.people, lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.org)
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(...) Well I *know* my view doesn't matter here (right Lar?) but my mind is boggling too, so I'll post my opinion that it's a great idea. I mean, if you look at local groups for instance-- they are composed of AFOL's who have the common (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.people, lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.org)
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(...) Are you lumping into that those that are really saying, "Lugnet is about Lego, and homesexual, heterosexual, transsexual, etc. really has nothing to do with Lego"? I'm starting to see spin-mastering on this topic that I don't foresee as (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.people, lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.org)
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Bruce Schlickbernd wrote in message ... (...) Well, I wasn't going through the posts saying mentally "that one, and that one, and that one..." and categorising who was saying what, and how. No intentional lumping going on. (...) with (...) Many (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.people, lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.org)
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(...) 1999? Five years ago?? You have got to be kidding. Looks like you dug pretty deep for this one, Scott. Why does it seem you're able to so readily present examples such as this against the likes of John, Lar, [insert person you clash with (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Amazing timing, my lugnet membership comes to my email just as I was itching to reply to this thread (I've been "lurking" now for months and this is my first post). In any case, I think that having a lavendar group is going to be something (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.people, lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.org)
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(...) I didn't understand why it should exist either, but maybe that's exactly why it should. It's one thing to say that LGBT people want to be treated as equals with heteros, but it's a totally different thing to say that they want to be treated as (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.people, lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.org)
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(...) This last argument is always appealed to when a majority having a conservative position is opposed to what a minority group with a more liberal viewpoint does or doesn't want to do. In this case the majority is cast as being ignorant, hateful (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.people, lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.org)
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(...) If intolerance is supposed to be a criteria for cancelling posts, most of the homosexualists' posts would also have to be pulled off as well. It's rather hypocritical to be tolerant (read 'approving') of only those people who are tolerant of (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) What does this term mean? (...) Just to be clear, cancelling posts without prior request by the author is exceedingly rare here (it has happened one time in the entire history of the site and that was to avoid legal action and was done when (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Why cast this as conservative vs. liberal? I'm not seeing it that way and I am not sure it's a useful characterisation. (...) I am not seeing any characterisation of the 'majority' as ignorant, hateful or unqualified by anyone. I certainly (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.people, lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.org)
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(...) If I get you, you're saying that people can only be considered "tolerant" when they are willing to endure any level of abuse from all comers. Is that right? By placing "tolerant" in a position that no human being can reach, you eliminate the (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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"Jesse Alan Long" <kiraya_malzant@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:I45MzA.1yKA@lugnet.com... (...) *want* (...) bands, (...) groups, (...) motorcycle (...) and (...) groups, etc (...) understand (...) it's (...) will the (...) came out (...) I (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.people, lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.org)
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(...) LOL. Thanks for setting us straight on that one, Jesse. I'm sure no-one realised until you told us that we had the Wrong Color. As for the rest of your post... consider the source, people. Kevin (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.people, lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.org)
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(...) Yes but didn't Jesus also say: "Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgement you judge, you will be judged; and with what measure you use, it will be measured back to you" (Matt 7:1-2) "He who is without sin among you, let him (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.people, lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.org)
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(...) It also means homosexual in today's context. True it didn't always mean that, but regardless it's a common term nowadays to refer to homosexuals. (...) Well, you can't really sue LUGNET. They already reserved the right to discriminate for any (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.people, Jesse Alan Long wrote: <snip> (...) <snip> (...) Are you completely out of your tree? Let's get into this then-- Where's Gandhi, Mohandas Karamchand right now? Heaven or Hell? He didn't believe that Jesus was 'the way, the truth (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, you didn't get it. What I am saying is that YOU tolerate only those that believe the way you do, and anyone who does not agree with you you automatically place into the homophobic, hateful camp, whether they actually are homophobic or they (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Actually, I find that such behaviour is an excellent example of ignorance... I was pretty irked by Jesse's post. (and I'm a Roman Catholic myself!) -Bryan (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I was going to write what you just posted, Dave, but I didn't look hard enough to find the right line in the LUGNET terms of use. With that said, it's open threats like the one Jesse posted that would make me ban the poster immediately if I (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I have seen posts by people telling others to remove their posts (those against this idea) and have seen posts calling those who posted against this idea whitewashed as 'homophobic.' In the first post I replied to in this thread we see someone (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.people, lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.org)
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(...) Offensive as Jesse is, its actually kinda fun to have him around for comic relief, when he shows up. -Tim (certified Communist and Fascist, according to Jesse) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I am in agreement with you as well. It doesn't matter as long as you love building with good old Lego! James, I can tell you why this is an issue with homosexuals. They want to tell other people they are gay because unless they are blatant (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX) !!
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(...) Allow me to politely disagree with this view. I don't think they are seeking any sort of approval - they seem to just wish to avoid disapproval, which is not the same thing. Basically, they just want to post with people who are comfortable (...) (20 years ago, 18-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Bruce wrote: 'They want a place to post with people who are comfortable with what they are.' Bruce, if this is the main reason they want the group, it has nothing to do with Lego - Lego is incidental at best. The primary reason is for them to (...) (20 years ago, 18-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Lee: LUGNET newsgroup theory is all about identifying subsets of interest within the community and creating focused discussion groups for those subsets, both LEGO-related and non-LEGO-related; it's about creating and nurturing individual areas (...) (20 years ago, 18-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.admin.nntp, FTX)
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(...) Since I am (I believe) the one who started using the homophobic term in this thread, let me add that I am happily married, striaght, catholic male. Not that any of that matters, really, but you seem to be saying that the homosexuals here are (...) (20 years ago, 18-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) See Todd Lehman's response as to what Lugnet is. I had reserved my own opinion on the whole subject with the note that Lehman is the arbitrator of what Lugnet is, and knows his own philosophy on it better than I do. (...) And this is merely (...) (20 years ago, 18-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I agree James, Lugnet is about lego, it is not about race, creed, politics, or sexual orientation. Like it or not, sexual orientation is a controversial subject. Some people on this group strongly disagree with the lifestyle, some strongly (...) (20 years ago, 18-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX) !!
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(...) Thank you, Lewis. -Tim (20 years ago, 18-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Alfred: Name-calling like this just isn't helpful. In theory, the word naturally has one clear definition. In reality, everyone has a different definition of what the word means. --Todd (20 years ago, 18-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I thought it was insane asylum inmates. Chris (20 years ago, 18-Sep-04, to lugnet.people, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ah! So you're merely incorrect. (...) I think you've confused the sides here. You've described yourself pretty perfectly, as far as I can infer. Chris (20 years ago, 18-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) But here, we can discuss and remain largely civil. Chris (20 years ago, 18-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Major snippage If this is my last time on here, (...) Wait a second here, are you trying to say that your post makes sense? I can only hope that your poor sentence construction, and seeming logical falacies are actually just translation problems (...) (20 years ago, 19-Sep-04, to lugnet.people, lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.org)
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To quote the masterwork film, Big Trouble in Little China: "Are you crazy? Is that your problem?" I'd like to advocate for a newsgroup, lugnet.people.jessealanlong so that your comedic stylings can be preserved for future generations. Jesse, don't (...) (20 years ago, 19-Sep-04, to lugnet.people, lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.org) !
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In lugnet.people, Jesse Alan Long wrote: (snipping to focus on the "best" parts) (...) When reading this huge thread, I saw many posts that were beyond good taste, many that had no basis in fact, many that made preposterous statements, many that (...) (20 years ago, 19-Sep-04, to lugnet.people, lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.org, FTX)
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(...) Here’s my vote for: fanatical.christian-...zealot.org JAL wrote: “The fifth reason is that homosexuality is NOT a tolerant lifestyle. It is an immoral, hateful, bigoted, sexist, discriminatory, intolerant, deviant, and even racist lifestyle.” (...) (20 years ago, 19-Sep-04, to lugnet.people, lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.org)
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(...) Nope, I'm dead-on correct. (...) Again, nope. I described you to a tee. I'm not telling anyone they ought to cancel their posts like you have. I am for the debate if you've read these threads. I'm not in favor of censoring the discussion. (...) (20 years ago, 19-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I have to apologize to Chris as I misread the nested message and said he posted to ask the person to remove his posts - Scott Arthur did that. So I was wrong to say he called for it. I will say that Chris probably didn't have a problem with (...) (20 years ago, 19-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) But I've seen a Brickfilm of the Iron Chef show, and doesn't the Extreme Team subtheme have a water skiing set? I'd imagine that those into those topics would love to see discussions on those themes as they relate to those LEGO creations, and (...) (20 years ago, 21-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Jesse Alan Long" <kiraya_malzant@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:I45MzA.1yKA@lugnet.com... (...) LEGO HAS (...) would (...) that on (...) being (...) God (...) Suzanne, (...) with (...) a (...) also have (...) life. (...) the (...) was (...) (...) (20 years ago, 24-Sep-04, to lugnet.people, lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.org)
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