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(URL) something you don't see every day. You always hear about the "by one vote" legends. Well, In Portage County in Ohio, here's an amusing election result. TALLMADGE CITY COUNCIL - WARD 2* ONE TO BE ELECTED ROBERT D. MAGUIRE DEM 1 100.00 DENNIS (...) (21 years ago, 5-Nov-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) My friends and I sometimes make up words that fit the happening, like "Hey! Vuja-de!! This has never happened to us before" and we look around all curious and awed-like. It is usually said in an ironic voice 'cause what had, indeed, (...) (21 years ago, 5-Nov-03, to lugnet.off-topic.fun, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Hey Larry, Sometimes I'm 'off my game' as well. No worries about this at all--it has been fun :) And the more that happens, it seems, the more fun it becomes! It's a perpetual 'fun-times' thread, filled with romance, mystery, and that little (...) (21 years ago, 5-Nov-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Oops! (...) (21 years ago, 5-Nov-03, to lugnet.off-topic.fun, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Richard, Have you ever headed down I-5 around Bakersfield, where they have a LOT of cattle? On a really hot day, just after the cows have turned over a field? Imagine that stench, 100 times stronger, and less natural smelling. Pig farms will (...) (21 years ago, 5-Nov-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's like (URL) deja vu all over again>. (proving my point once again:-) JOHN (21 years ago, 5-Nov-03, to lugnet.off-topic.fun, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.fun, Larry Pieniazek wrote: (snippage) Geezopetes, I forgot to set the FUT to just debate... so now instead of the thread moving, it's duplicated... all of it, even the part where I get agreement that it doesn't belong in .fun (...) (21 years ago, 4-Nov-03, to lugnet.off-topic.fun, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Didn't you already post that (URL) Dave! (21 years ago, 4-Nov-03, to lugnet.off-topic.fun, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Irony!! Stop it!! You're killing me!!! (...) Ooh! DEATH!! Dave K -who doens't mean to sound like Iain, but after this monstrously bad day, anything like this just cracks me up! (21 years ago, 4-Nov-03, to lugnet.off-topic.fun, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Didn't you already post that (URL) Dave! 8^) (21 years ago, 4-Nov-03, to lugnet.off-topic.fun, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) That which has been is that which will be, and that which has been done is that which will be done. So there is nothing new under the sun. Is there anything of which one might say, "See this, it is new"? Already it has existed for ages which (...) (21 years ago, 4-Nov-03, to lugnet.off-topic.fun, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) (URL) Chicken Run> made use of that joke, as well. Clever! Dave! (21 years ago, 4-Nov-03, to lugnet.off-topic.fun, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) My jury's still out on GM foodstuffs, though I agree that the GM-status of a product should be clearly indicated. (...) Maybe not, but it will be exactly as good as the proscuitto you ate before! (...) True enought, but the grains that we had (...) (21 years ago, 4-Nov-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) (snip) My all-time favorite Wizard of ID comic: Sir Rodney comes running into the presence of the King and exclaims, "Sire, the peasants are revolting!" Wryly under his breath the King observes: "You can say that again." Classic. JOHN (21 years ago, 4-Nov-03, to lugnet.off-topic.fun, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) That's actually far easier said than done. And increasingly more problematic in the U.S. than some other countries apparently (esp. Europe, I admit I have no idea about the food standards in Canada). Random thoughts: I just want to know that (...) (21 years ago, 4-Nov-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.fun, Dave Schuler wrote: <snip> (...) I wouldn't eat that stuff under almost any conditions. They should feature it in 'Fear Factor' for the eating part.... I remember an old 'Wizard of ID' comic in which the King, while sitting (...) (21 years ago, 4-Nov-03, to lugnet.off-topic.fun, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Doh! That's where I meant to put it. Force of habit, I suppose. Or maybe LUGNET suffered a glitch that put my .fun post in .debate despite my best efforts. That seems likely... (...) I feel worse and worse about posting the link, but I swear I (...) (21 years ago, 4-Nov-03, to lugnet.off-topic.fun, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Food can be scary--all the preprocessed stuff and additives and whatever. Yet people still live. And they're living longer now than 'ever before'. Eh, I eat what I want to eat, and try to take reasonable care of what goes into this (...) (21 years ago, 4-Nov-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) .debate. I presume you know that, Dave! It's also kind of annoying because it asks me if I want to install something or another (some spyware presumably, I turned it down pretty fast so I forget)... which I find ironic for a site ostensibly (...) (21 years ago, 4-Nov-03, to lugnet.off-topic.fun, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Particularly objectionable to Reagan's sycophants was (URL) CBS's> choice not to include the scene in which the sacrosanct former President multiplied the loaves and fishes, nor the part in which he created the world in six days. No doubt The (...) (21 years ago, 4-Nov-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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For those that think the neo-con takeover is just business as usual, I give you this opinion piece: BUSH SR. SENDS NOT-SO-SUBTLE MESSAGE WITH AWARD TO KENNEDY (URL) When it was announced (with amazingly little fanfare) that the pugnaciously (...) (21 years ago, 4-Nov-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Yes, of course they do. And that's not always a bad thing except when it gets kinda rabidly slanted a particular way. I try to post stuff that is at least semi-objective from a huge variety of sources. Sure, some of it is just (...) (21 years ago, 30-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I would tend to think that this line of argument can be used against many of the sources (both factual and cultural) cited here on a regular basis... NPR, the NYT, Fox, The Economist, The Guardian, DemocraticUnderground etc, all have (...) (21 years ago, 30-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Although bias should not automatically be assumed, a media source that has demonstrated unrelenting bias (such as Ann Coulter or Michael Moore) then it is not unreasonable to suspect bias in any given piece. That's not to say that such bias (...) (21 years ago, 30-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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You mean the National Review is not a known right-wing rag run by William Buckley? Haven't I stated my own opposition to the Dems clearly or regularly enough? Why don't you do somehting useful like respond to this thread: (URL) The "Evil Dictator" (...) (21 years ago, 30-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Classic! Who cares if the article appeared on Barney's newsletter? If you are going to bother to comment, why not address the specifics in the article? (...) Now that is "offensive". (...) For sure. Totally. I guess that the reality of Detroit (...) (21 years ago, 30-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I noticed Ann Coulter stuff being advertised there, amongst a host of other offensive material. What can I say? The only thing I might want from Ann Coulter has nothing to do with listening to her opinions and might even involve a blindfold -- (...) (21 years ago, 30-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Without commenting on the article on the whole (since it deals in matter that I haven't researched), I note with interest that Mr. Payne is among the bunch that loves to credit a Republican President for economic recovery while blaming (...) (21 years ago, 30-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) Henry Payne's problem in this otherwise well written essay (living in MI I can attest to the truth of much of what he says) is that in proving the Dems to be pikers yet again, he feels that it follows without proof that the GOP is therefore (...) (21 years ago, 30-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) For me, I try to work on a cohesive and comprehensive 'moral compass' in which you do what you can, don't sweat the stuff you can't, and try to understand the difference. That about it in a very tightly wrapped nutshell. If you get 'yer (...) (21 years ago, 30-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) (URL) (...) I do like this particular story. I'm content with the probability that there are supreme beings who are to us as we are to ants. But I have a problem accepting a being as worthy of worship who destroys those whose capacity is so (...) (21 years ago, 30-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) If, as the Good Book says, the laws are written on the hearts of man, I'll take my chances following my heart rather than some clergyman's ideas. If the church's number one priority at this time is debating 'women in office' (CRC), debating (...) (21 years ago, 29-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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...following his own moral compass... (2 URLs) -- Hop-Frog (21 years ago, 29-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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kakistocracy (kak-uh-stock'-ruh-see) n. government by the worst people. [from Greek kakistos "worst," superlative of kakos "bad" + cratos "rule, sway, authority"]. From the Least I could Do "Word of the day..." Thought of Dubya for some strange (...) (21 years ago, 29-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys wrote: snip (...) Sorry again--this was suppose to say 'Slackers Guild has discussions on specific posts...' (...) Off my mark today... (21 years ago, 29-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Sorry--you're right--TMB is a blog, my bad... there was a discussion group at one time, but I don't think it's up now. The rest have discussions on specific posts--basically receeding posts... And the DU has the same. I think the rest have (...) (21 years ago, 29-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek wrote: snip (...) Sinfest, LICD, and at one time, Helen, Sweetheart of the Internet. That's all on-line, except for comics related to Everquest... Dave K (21 years ago, 29-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) True, but only if the situation remains the same; the same action may yield different results if the environment changes! (...) Despite trivial bureaucratic similarities, it should be clear at this point that that Democrats and Republicans are (...) (21 years ago, 29-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Maybe she became: (URL) Honey Hellfire> on (URL) Radio Free Satan>! Anyway, some of these are news/opinion/blog sites right? I don't see discussion forums in all cases... -- Hop-Frog (21 years ago, 29-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) It's the owners board - they are not obligated to allow you to use it as a sounding board, unless they have specifically stated otherwise (TOS, possibly for a fee). Personally, I wouldn't participate in a service that did editing. (...) If the (...) (21 years ago, 29-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If you always do what you always did, you'll always get what you always got. What people need to do: Stop passively voting demopublican, for starters, and get involved in local politics failing that, if the encroachment of civil rights (...) (21 years ago, 29-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Ah, but that's different. If the material is published externally and editing causes it to seriously misrepresent what was said by another, that's certainly actionable... it's somewhere in the slander/libel/defamation of character area (...) (21 years ago, 29-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Move? I dunno...are they accepting U.S. refugees in Canada still? I have lived places where I was literally surrounded by maniacs. I have been attacked on the streets more than once. Everyone from a street thug to the thug in the White House (...) (21 years ago, 29-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) The Voters (not me) ran Jesse out on a rail. *They* didn't respect his performance *as a politcian* (i.e. he had no crediblity based on actual performance). Take it up with them. -->Bruce<-- (21 years ago, 29-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Jeez-louieeeez, yes it could! Learn to paragraph, Tom! A dense body of text like that on a computer screen is unreadable. -->Bruce<-- (21 years ago, 29-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti wrote: snip lots of thought provoking stuff (...) It may not be your beautiful house, but you're stuck living in it. That is the unfortunate part. But how do you correct that? Dave K (21 years ago, 29-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I read a "Misanthropic Bitch" article once in which she wrote an article for the school paper--the paper's editor edited her article to the point where it stated the opposite of her intent. Maybe I'll try to dig it up. (...) A good topic for (...) (21 years ago, 29-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Tony Blair's new friend Britain and the US claim a moral mandate - and back a dictator who boils victims to death (URL) There are over 6,000 political and religious prisoners in Uzbekistan. Every year, some of them are tortured to death. Sometimes (...) (21 years ago, 29-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Very likely, yes. Journalists are known to edit interviews and such. The problem becomes one of who owns the forum versus misrepresenting someone's views. I'd say that it might be actionable if someone's views are savagely distorted and have (...) (21 years ago, 29-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Seems pretty cut and dried to me. What rights did the posters purchase from the owner of the publishing venue (the owner of the privately owned BB)? Assuming the owner is in the US that's all that matters, posters nationality is irrelevant. (...) (21 years ago, 29-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Here's a topic for your consideration-- I'm reading some other NG's, and there's a hotly debated issue--the NG is privately owned by the web owners, and, as such, they believe they can edit the content of posted messages for language and other (...) (21 years ago, 29-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Jesse Ventura was also a former NAVY SEAL, who has served his country to his utmost. Show the guy some respect before you criticize him, as he is quite possibly the most credible politician out there. -HRH (21 years ago, 29-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Now this is a good way to wrap it up :) I concur with the above. Thanks Hoppy. Dave K (21 years ago, 29-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) One of the definitions of "religious" is "extremely scrupulous or conscientious." That's how you get the term "conscientious objector." Basically, the phrase just exempts someone with a strong philosophical objection to keeping or using arms. (...) (21 years ago, 29-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) <snip> (...) This is a good read. <snip> (...) What if I have a problem with bearing arms that has nothing to do with religious scruples? :p (...) (21 years ago, 29-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Thomas Jefferson to Isaac McPherson 13 Aug. 1813Writings 13:333--35 (URL) It has been pretended by some, (and in England especially,) that inventors have a natural and exclusive right to their inventions, and not merely for their own lives, but (...) (21 years ago, 29-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) sorry, still don't understand, different how? Are you ostracised for riding a lengthily challenged bus? Tim (21 years ago, 29-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) That would make you an (URL) Me... I'm one of the ones who goes off at a tangent but I can't decide which one tim (21 years ago, 29-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) As can play^H^H^H^Hbuilding with LEGO bricks. But as a form of meditation I prefer music (playing, listening, laughing at.....) ROSCO (21 years ago, 29-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Marginalized by me? I thought it all great - not quite what I expected from The Angry Young Man. Dave may not like it, but I do. It all fits into a neo-pagan Gaiea world view. I suppose it fits into alot of religions - except for the bit about (...) (21 years ago, 29-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Where's my favorite appeal to logic: if you don't believe in God you will burn in hell for all eternity! -->Bruce<-- (21 years ago, 29-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Like the subject line says: "Give this man a pat on the back." Adr. (21 years ago, 29-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) LOL well I didn't say the sentence was 100% accurate[1], but you get my point... ROSCO [1] I did actually correct a couple of typos (21 years ago, 29-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Not so. At least 3 of us stated directly that we were voting Green/Camejo and I suspect we all did. So there! -- Hop-Frog (21 years ago, 29-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'm with Kooties in that you are not likely to like my answer either. And I am likely to be further marginalized by "uber-pagan" types like Bruce. Keeping in mind that I reject most organized religions out of hand as obviously politically (...) (21 years ago, 29-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Hmmmmm. As a friend pointed out to me "210 messages in that thread, and not a single one about who to vote for before the elections, hmmmmm id say people are more concerned about things they have no control or influence over than those they (...) (21 years ago, 28-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, you won't like my answer then. Being a pretty big fan of science, but only managing to fluff in trying to get a BA, I consider myself a 'pseudo-sciece guy'. Which means I get the general concepts, adn can see how things work and all, but (...) (21 years ago, 28-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is the same way I signed in one of the previous threads on this topic, that's all. (riffing on the fact that I said it's been brought up before for the benefit of long time readers) I have not tried to exhaustively see how many different (...) (21 years ago, 28-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You forgot (reformed?) Duelist. En garde! Or did I just open myself up for a riposte? :-) -->Bruce<-- (smart-alec and devil's advocate) (21 years ago, 28-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) This suggests a question that may have been asked herepreviously, but I'd like to follow up on it once again: Accepting that you do believe that God exists, {why} do you believe that God exists? I've asked people this in non-LUGNET life, and (...) (21 years ago, 28-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As clear as poosible givine the context Some folks say that the 'good book' is God's holy word, and as such, is impervious to mistake. Sure. Whatever. That's why every minister that has ever preached and every discourse of specific passages (...) (21 years ago, 28-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Are you saying that the "Good Book" is a creation of man, and therefore flawed? Or that men are unable to understand the meaning of a divine text? I think ultimately I am asking you the value of a flawed or unknowable text. If your (...) (21 years ago, 28-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is something that got me away from "organized" religion--the most virtuous person I have ever met (imho) is my uncle George--he's up at 5 a.m. flooding the skating rink in the local park for the kids, with no thought of restitution, he's (...) (21 years ago, 28-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) An excellent summation, Dave! It's pretty much where I stand as well. I'll live my life as virtuously as I know how, but I won't rub blue mud in my belly button and then delude myself that doing so somehow makes me better than those that won't (...) (21 years ago, 28-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Yeah, I love that story! I believe that it describes the (URL) model of the universe. (URL) Here's> related commentary from the (URL) Skeptic's Dictionary> website: What are we to make of the fact that our personal experience contradicts the (...) (21 years ago, 28-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) This is an oldie but a goodie, I think it's been mentioned a few times before: (URL) even threatened to put it in the header of o-t.fun but changed my mind, it doesn't quite fit there. Hm... maybe it, and a good nettiquette reference, would be (...) (21 years ago, 28-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah, that's why I used the word "delusion." Delusion -- The act or process of deluding; The state of being deluded; A false belief or opinion; Psychiatry A false belief strongly held in spite of invalidating evidence, especially as a symptom (...) (21 years ago, 28-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) No, he can't. Unless, that is, you accept that it is a good act to take pleasure in killing an innocent human being. And if indeed you do accept that, then you undermine all your previous arguments about the evils of fanatical Islam. (...) But (...) (21 years ago, 28-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti wrote: <snip> (...) <snip> (...) So the other day I take the day off work to help my dad pour concrete. Talking to the 'cement truck guy' who has been in the business for 40 years (and a week away from (...) (21 years ago, 28-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Gee, how did I know that all of this was coming? It's not that God is logically impossible -- it's that YOUR CONCEPTION of God is logically impossible. Can you see the difference? Your conception of God, however much you try to evade your (...) (21 years ago, 28-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(URL) (21 years ago, 28-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm not so sure. I think that there are plenty of people who'd rather embrace evil than good, and they do every day. I look at it this way: God says, "Here is the gift of life-- live it however you choose. But life is a mystery, and sometimes (...) (21 years ago, 28-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) It is illogical for an infinite being to even give free will-- it would seem that all is predestined anyway. (...) Never say never, Dave! Isn't pleasure simply a release of endorphines in our little electro-stimulated brains? Couldn't it all (...) (21 years ago, 28-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'm afraid that the doctrine of free will is incompatible with the notion of original sin; it is logically inconsistent to believe in both. (...) God is limited in other ways, too. God, as an omnibenevolent being, can never take first-hand (...) (21 years ago, 27-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Funny: I want you to express your free will. If you do good, I will love you and reward you in this life and with the attainment of heaven in the afterlife. If you do evil, I will smite you and burn you down in this life and punish you with (...) (21 years ago, 27-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Yeah, that's straight from the mouth of Elihu in the Book of Job. Elihu says God "was angry at Job because he justified himself rather than God" (Job 32.2): "God is greater than man. Why do you contend against him?" (Job 33.12-13). God even (...) (21 years ago, 27-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) As a mental exercise, if you were an omnipotent being and had the ability to improve/redesign/remodel our current universe, how would you do it? (besides making LEGO grow on trees;-) JOHN (21 years ago, 27-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Ultimately evil will be destroyed. Is this a temporal issue? God allows evil only because God respects our free will. People choose evil. (...) Yes. (...) Again, because God respects free will. (...) No. JOHN (21 years ago, 27-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) God intentionally limits Himself by giving us free will (as far as we know). God desires us to have abundant life-- I don't see where this indicates that God is incomplete or imperfect. Perhaps you could say that God is limited, but it is by (...) (21 years ago, 27-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Can the courts overturn Executive Orders? (URL) Here's> the one I'm thinking of, which seems to declare itself beyond the reach of the judiciary. Dave! (21 years ago, 27-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I like that proof just fine, but when I've presented it here before (in prior discussions) it's usually been dismissed off-handedly in terms of "His mysterious purpose" or the like. For variety's sake, I thought that I'd try this perfect = (...) (21 years ago, 27-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Did you think the usual proof was to trite? The Problem of Evil A good God would destroy evil. An all powerful God could destroy evil. Evil exists and is not destroyed. ~~~...~~~ Therefore, there cannot possibly be such a good and all powerful (...) (21 years ago, 27-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, the chain works like this: To "want" something (such as fellowship), is to imply a lack of that thing (or a desire to prevent the negation/removal of that thing). A being who lacks something is incomplete, and incompleteness indicates (...) (21 years ago, 27-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I don't think that follows from what I said. Any attempts (even Biblical) to describe the infinite will fall woefully short, and attempts to describe God will inevitabley start sounding like anthropomorphizing. Using the third person musculine (...) (21 years ago, 27-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Usagi Yojimbo. To address stuff you go into below regarding eBay, I noted that CGC graded comics went for considerably more than those that weren't graded, though the cost of grading meant you had to have a relatively expensive comic in the (...) (21 years ago, 27-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys wrote: <snip> (...) And the DU made the point clearer: " What's worse than a bumbling idiot? Why, a bumbling idiot who surrounds himself with bumbling idiot advisors, of course. Our Great Leader must have (...) (21 years ago, 27-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Then you're asserting that God is finite and imperfect? Dave! (21 years ago, 27-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Newsbits -- the Usual
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9/11 Commission Could Subpoena Oval Office Files (URL) "It's obvious that the White House wants to run out the clock here," he said in an interview in Washington. "It's Halloween, and we're still in negotiations with some assistant White House (...) (21 years ago, 27-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) What kind of tulip madness was this? Are we talking "Samurai Bunny" comics? Where, when, and why? Do they maintain this absurd value? One of my better killings in comics -- of stuff with which I was actually willing to part -- was for the (...) (21 years ago, 27-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Always a gray area. I have three Ansel Adams photos. Taken from his original negatives, printed by his assistant according to his instructions (Alan Ross, by the way, still the only person approved to make new prints), but they are not (...) (21 years ago, 27-Oct-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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