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After the movie —Larry Pieniazek

Well, we all saw it today, at last. Critics are right, plot was a bit thin but it's a glorious movie nonetheless. What I found most amusing was that my kids and I pointed out to each other all the vehicles we'd already built. I saw one of those (...) (26 years ago, 23-May-99, to lugnet.starwars)

SW plots (Spoilers) —Todd Lehman

(...) Indeed! SW is proof that a god exists, and that he wants us to be happy. But I don't agree with critics about the plot being thin -- at least not when compared to the other 3 movies... Ep4 in a nutshell: Steal secret plans from the bad guys, (...) (26 years ago, 23-May-99, to lugnet.starwars)

Re: SW plots (Spoilers) —Thomas Main

Todd Lehman wrote: <snip> (...) It's so TLG will have an easier time creating sub-themes. -- Thomas Main main@appstate.edu (26 years ago, 23-May-99, to lugnet.starwars)

Re: SW plots (Spoilers) —Selçuk Göre

(...) Single "climate" or single "season"? I think climates of Tatoonie (Ep1, Ep4 and Ep6), Degobah (Ep2), Hoth (Ep5) and Yavin 4 (Ep6) are totally different. If you mean "season", then, well..think about the insignificant changes in "climate" (...) (26 years ago, 24-May-99, to lugnet.starwars)

Re: SW plots (Spoilers) —John VanZwieten

Selçuk <teyyareci> <sgore@nospam.superonline.com> wrote in message news:FC8qMB.76L@lugnet.com... (...) I think he meant there is little or no climate variation within each planet. All we see of Tatooine is desert; all we see of Hoth is arctic; all (...) (26 years ago, 24-May-99, to lugnet.starwars)

Re: SW plots (Spoilers) —Ravi Mohan

(...) actually corscent (u know the capital planet)does have a polar ice caps maybe some planets are monoclimatic and others are multiclimatic(and none are anticlimatic haha) (26 years ago, 26-May-99, to lugnet.starwars)

Re: SW plots (Spoilers) —Bram Lambrecht

(...) Ep1 had tons of anti-climax, like when Jar Jar had his hand stuck in the pod racer engine--you'd hink something would happen, put Padme just pulled his hand out. It made for an awfully pointless scene. --Bram Bram Lambrecht / o o \ (...) (26 years ago, 26-May-99, to lugnet.starwars)

Re: SW plots (Spoilers) —Ravi Mohan

(...) that was a joke i'm refering to PLANETS (26 years ago, 26-May-99, to lugnet.starwars)

Re: SW plots (Spoilers) —Steve Campbell

(...) It did give them more opportunity to have JJ say "Muh han thuk!" which makes kids laugh. Kids who then buy the toys (or bug the parents to buy the toys) of "that funny guy." So from a marketing standpoint it was FAR from pointless. SteveC (...) (26 years ago, 26-May-99, to lugnet.starwars)

Re: SW plots (Spoilers) —Richard Dee

On Wed, 26 May 1999 17:20:07 GMT, Steve Campbell uttered the following profundities... (...) I was rather saddened to see JJ bicycles. Sometimes marketing goes to ridiculous lenghths. (26 years ago, 28-May-99, to lugnet.starwars)

Re: SW plots (Spoilers) —Joey Feland

(...) True, but its not like they focus on a planet long enough in the movies to see all the seasons anyway. They are on Hoth 3-4 days? Endor 3 days? Yavin 1-2? Naboo 1 to 2 weeks? As for Tatooine, it has two suns, I can imagine the 4 seasons there: (...) (26 years ago, 24-May-99, to lugnet.starwars)

Re: SW plots (Spoilers) —Todd Lehman

(...) I guess I was thinking primarily of Tatooine (always shown as a desert), Endor (always referred to as "the forest moon"), and Hoth (usually referred to as a barren, frozen wasteland). And of course...hey, it's always dark and cold on the (...) (26 years ago, 24-May-99, to lugnet.starwars)

Re: SW plots (Spoilers) —Christopher Tracey

Didn't we find out the the forest moon of Endor has a desert climate in one of those Ewok television specials that aired a bit after ROTJ? I remember a scene where a few ewoks and some others had to trudge across the cracked desert to get to some (...) (26 years ago, 28-May-99, to lugnet.starwars)

Re: SW plots (Spoilers) —Ryan Dennett

Oh, yeh, I saw that years ago. What was it called?? I thought it was sortof wierd even though the ewoks were some of my favorite characters. Ryan "Build or build not. There is no try." - Lego Master Yoda ***...*** REPLY SEPARATOR ***...*** (...) (25 years ago, 30-May-99, to lugnet.starwars)

Ep1 peeves (includes spoilers) —Todd Lehman

(...) Speaking of criticism, here are my top 10 peeves for the movie -- and don't get me wrong -- I *loved* it indelibly -- but it couldda been a lot better. SPOILERS below if you haven't seen it yet! : : : : : : : : : My top 10 peeves: 10. First 15 (...) (26 years ago, 23-May-99, to lugnet.starwars)

Re: Ep1 peeves (includes spoilers) —Ryan Dennett

I haven't actually seen the movie, but I have read the book and well read below.... (...) They're Jedi they don't show anger or fear. Well isn't the Jedi motto, "Be prepared" oops that's boy scouts :) (...) Hmm, I think not. If you were Maul and you (...) (26 years ago, 23-May-99, to lugnet.starwars)

Re: Ep1 peeves (includes spoilers) —Todd Lehman

(...) When DM attacked QGJ on Tatooine, QCJ exhibited a believable sense of urgency as well as a fear for Anakin's life. And after DM impales QCJ in the final battle, OWK is extremely upset; he bounces in place, extremely agitated, waiting for the (...) (26 years ago, 23-May-99, to lugnet.starwars)

Re: Ep1 peeves (includes spoilers) —Charles Spindell

My main peeve about Episode I was the way they left behind Anakin's mother. With the support of the Jedi Council and the fortunes of the planet, Naboo, I am sure someone could have bartered for the freedom of Shmi Skywalker at the end of the movie. (...) (26 years ago, 24-May-99, to lugnet.starwars)

Re: Ep1 peeves (includes episode 2 spoiler-maybe) —Roger Connor

The Shmi situation is supposed to come into play in the next movie and is supposed to help Annakin along towards the dark side. I think the idea is that no legitimate part of the republic would have dealings with the Hutt "mafia" and that makes (...) (26 years ago, 24-May-99, to lugnet.starwars)

Re: Ep1 peeves (includes episode 2 spoiler-maybe) —Eric Lind

Spoilerage One doesn't really know from the end of TPM how much time has elapsed between the end of the battle and the celebration. Obviously, Obi wan gets accepted and Anakin gets apprenticed, so there is some elapsed time here, but it's a bit (...) (26 years ago, 24-May-99, to lugnet.starwars)

Re: Ep1 peeves (includes episode 2 spoiler-maybe) —Todd Lehman

(...) [SPOILERS/SPECULATION] : : : : : : I had to wonder how badly Shmi even really wanted to be freed. For some reason, she told Anakin not to look back, and he literally pushed him on his way when they finally parted. And the fact that she wears a (...) (26 years ago, 24-May-99, to lugnet.starwars)

Re: Ep1 peeves (includes episode 2 spoiler-maybe) —Charles Spindell

[SPOILERS/SPECULATION] I heard that Episode II will deal primarily with the Clone Wars and the love affair between Anakin and Amidala. With the extinction of the Sith over a millennium ago, I feel that Palpatine has somehow reconstructed the DNA (...) (26 years ago, 24-May-99, to lugnet.starwars)

Re: Ep1 peeves (includes episode 2 spoiler-maybe) —Lee Jorgensen

<SPOILERAGE> (hopefully this is enough) At the end of TPM, Yoda and Mace were discussing the Sith, and I believe that Yoda said "There are always two, a master and an apprentice." So what about the end of RotJ, where both Vader and the Emporer (I (...) (26 years ago, 25-May-99, to lugnet.starwars)

Re: Ep1 peeves (includes episode 2 spoiler-maybe) —Ryan Dennett

(...) Palpatine(Senator Palpatine) as in the one in TPM Ryan "Build or build not. There is no try." - Lego Master Yoda (26 years ago, 25-May-99, to lugnet.starwars)

Re: Ep1 peeves (includes episode 2 spoiler-maybe) —Todd Lehman

(...) I don't think they meant that there were always supposed to be exactly two Sith...I think they meant that whenever there was one, there was another -- meaning Sith in pairs rather than alone. --Todd p.s. It's said that Palpatine didn't (...) (26 years ago, 26-May-99, to lugnet.starwars)

Re: Ep1 peeves (includes episode 2 spoiler-maybe) —Lee Jorgensen

(...) Unfortuantely, Lucas isn't going to do 7-9 ... :( Nor, will he allow anyone else to do it either. -- Lee Jorgensen, Programmer/Analyst - Bankoe Systems, Inc. mailto:jorgensen@bankoe.moc <-- reverse moc mailto:ljorgensen@uswest.ten <-- reverse (...) (26 years ago, 26-May-99, to lugnet.starwars)

Re: Ep1 peeves (includes episode 2 spoiler-maybe) —Todd Lehman

(...) That's what he says now. --Todd (26 years ago, 27-May-99, to lugnet.starwars)

Re: Ep1 peeves (includes episode 2 spoiler-maybe) —Alan Shutko

(...) Fortunately, junk like that isn't canon. (IMAO, of course.) (26 years ago, 26-May-99, to lugnet.starwars)

Re: Ep1 peeves (includes episode 2 spoiler-maybe) —Jonathan Little

(...) The way it's explained in the novelization of ep 1 (and may be common knowledge to the real SW fans) was that a billion years ago, or something, one rebel Jedi pulled toward the dark side, and began recruiting followers. The numbers grew very (...) (26 years ago, 27-May-99, to lugnet.starwars)

Re: Ep1 peeves (includes episode 2 spoiler-maybe) —Karim Nassar

(...) Sounds about right to me. By the way, the line from TPM is: Yoda: Always Two, there are. No more; no less. A Master, and an Aprentice. --Karim (26 years ago, 27-May-99, to lugnet.starwars)

Re: Ep1 peeves (includes episode 2 spoiler-maybe) —Richard Hrynyszyn

(...) knowledge (...) Jedi (...) been (...) Below is a small excerpt from the EP1 Novelization by Terry Brooks that explains the Sith: The Sith had come into being almost two thousand years ago. They were a cult given over to the dark side of the (...) (26 years ago, 27-May-99, to lugnet.starwars)

Re: Ep1 peeves (includes episode 2 spoiler-maybe) —Richard Dee

On Thu, 27 May 1999 13:44:46 GMT, Richard Hrynyszyn uttered the following profundities... (...) Thanks for the extract. It strikes me as odd, when in five and six, they always detect the most minor disturbance in the force. Is it such that in one (...) (26 years ago, 28-May-99, to lugnet.starwars)

Re: Ep1 peeves (includes episode 2 spoiler-maybe) —Steve Campbell

Spoilerage to follow: (...) If I am interpreting correctly it was a shot at the unknown-to-them Darth Sidious/Palpatine. In other words: Yoda: "Killed the apprentice we did but who his master is we don't know ." Mace: "Gee, Yoda, I wonder if he will (...) (26 years ago, 26-May-99, to lugnet.starwars)

Re: Ep1 peeves (includes episode 2 spoiler-maybe) —Lee Jorgensen

(...) hehehe ... just as long it's not at a Lightsaber Show ... they do background checks there. :) -- Lee Jorgensen, Programmer/Analyst - Bankoe Systems, Inc. mailto:jorgensen@bankoe.moc <-- reverse moc mailto:ljorgensen@uswest.ten <-- reverse ten (26 years ago, 26-May-99, to lugnet.starwars)

Re: Ep1 peeves (includes episode 2 spoiler-maybe) —Richard Dee

On Mon, 24 May 1999 22:04:18 GMT, Charles Spindell uttered the following profundities... (...) This introduces one of many continuity problems between Episode I and IV-VI that I have observed. Obi-Wan was a designation Kenobi was supposed to have (...) (26 years ago, 28-May-99, to lugnet.starwars)

Re: Ep1 peeves (includes episode 2 spoiler-maybe) —Joey Feland

(...) Well, TPM the book says that Jedi start training at 1 year of age, Yoda probably trains for the first 10 years and then they apprentice with another Jedi for about 20 years afterward. I think th book says Obi-Wan was with QGJ for twenty some (...) (26 years ago, 29-May-99, to lugnet.starwars)

Re: Ep1 peeves (includes episode 2 spoiler-maybe) —Tamyra Teed ("Mookie")

(...) Now that can't work out.. Obi-Wan was only I believe about 17 when Qui-Gon was killed... I think what happened is that Obi-Wan wasn't ready and Yodi took over his training after Qui-Gon met his maker... Do you think not that Yodi would want to (...) (25 years ago, 29-May-99, to lugnet.starwars)

Re: Ep1 peeves (includes episode 2 spoiler-maybe) —Joey Feland

(...) According to TPM the book Obi-Wan is in his mid twenties. That could still leave about five years with Yoda. Kind of a Jedi kindergarten:) Joey (25 years ago, 29-May-99, to lugnet.starwars)

Re: Ep1 peeves (includes episode 2 spoiler-maybe) —Richard Dee

On Sat, 29 May 1999 16:05:00 GMT, Joey Feland uttered the following profundities... (...) Bought and read the book today. Disappointing. Might as well have bought the script. Hoping for more description and insight. Even into just the other members (...) (25 years ago, 29-May-99, to lugnet.starwars)

Re: Ep1 peeves (includes episode 2 spoiler-maybe) —Charles Spindell

(...) I just picked up a series of children books (there are two so far) called Jedi Apprentice and it details how Obi-Wan Kenobi becomes the Padawan of Qui-Gon Jinn. Apparently, infants are taken and trained by Yoda at the Jedi Temple until the age (...) (25 years ago, 31-May-99, to lugnet.starwars)

Re: Ep1 peeves (Ep.1 Spoiler) —Karim Nassar

(...) Sorry to nit-pick, Todd, but your quote of Yoda is wrong... The actual line is: "Always in motion is the future..." What really got me was that Lucas seems to have broken continuity himself rather badly... In TESB, Obi Wan tells Luke, "You (...) (26 years ago, 24-May-99, to lugnet.starwars)

Re: Ep1 peeves (Ep.1 Spoiler) —Todd Lehman

(...) d'Oh! Thanks for the correction! -- that makes a lot more sense now. Shame on me, and I even have the RotJ script book. :-( (...) Hmm, good call. Very odd. Hmm...so was OWK ever (in Ep4) supposed to have been a Jedi Master? Or was he still (...) (26 years ago, 25-May-99, to lugnet.starwars)

Re: Ep1 peeves (Ep.1 Spoiler) —Eric Joslin

(...) rather (...) trained (...) Well, this actually bugs me, too, but: At the beginning of the film, Obi-Wan does say that "Master Yoda told me I should be mindful of the future". So, perhaps Yoda trained him from when he was very small, *then* (...) (26 years ago, 25-May-99, to lugnet.starwars)

Re: Ep1 peeves (Ep.1 Spoiler) —Steve Bliss

(...) Well, this is the man who described the events between EP1 and EP4 as 'Darth Vader murdered your father'. So apparently, total honesty is not a requirement for Jedi knighthood. (...) I totally agree. Steve (26 years ago, 25-May-99, to lugnet.starwars)

Re: Ep1 peeves (possible spoilers) —Jonathan Nichol

(...) It looks like we're in the minority but my wife and I both hated Episode I and we're huge Star Wars fans. A lot of it was the cartoony effects (we hated the Special Editions too) but mostly it seemed to us the movie had no soul. Nothing seemed (...) (26 years ago, 24-May-99, to lugnet.starwars)

Re: Ep1 peeves (includes spoilers) —Ben Fleskes

I believe the Gungans played an important role from a 'Force' perspective. In order for Anakin to destroy the control ship, the Force must have been with him. Or he was incredibly lucky, but given his character, I believe it is save to say that the (...) (26 years ago, 24-May-99, to lugnet.starwars)

Re: Ep1 peeves (includes spoilers) —Terry Keller

(...) Did OWK have the lightsaber in his hand _before_ his leap? My take on it: DM standing there, smug and self-assured of victory against an unarmed opponent. Just look at how DM swept his saber back and forth right above OWK's head. DM was (...) (26 years ago, 25-May-99, to lugnet.starwars)

Re: Ep1 peeves (includes spoilers) —Richard Dee

On Sun, 23 May 1999 23:56:03 GMT, Todd Lehman uttered the following profundities... (...) Remember, GL wrote the third Indiana Jones film, and ruined some of the characters in that, too. It is his style, a bit of slapstick, and amusing characters. (26 years ago, 28-May-99, to lugnet.starwars)

Re: Ep1 peeves (includes spoilers) —Steve Bliss

(...) Hey! No fair taking two peeves in one hit! The jedi (especially Qui-Gon) were just too cool and collected. This is noticeable in other parts of the movie. Maybe the breathing devices were good for other environments as well? Even so, it was a (...) (26 years ago, 25-May-99, to lugnet.starwars)

Re: Ep1 peeves (includes spoilers) —Todd Lehman

(...) BTW, I can't figure out why they didn't use those when the gas started leaking out... Why did they take a deep breath and hold it instead? (...) TC-14 was the protocol droid at the very beginning of the film -- the one who served drinks to OWK (...) (26 years ago, 26-May-99, to lugnet.starwars)

Re: Ep1 peeves (includes spoilers) —Lee Jorgensen

(...) Possibly they are water specific? Or they knew that they'd only have to hold their breath for 30 secs ... -- Lee Jorgensen, Programmer/Analyst - Bankoe Systems, Inc. mailto:jorgensen@bankoe.moc <-- reverse moc mailto:ljorgensen@uswest.ten <-- (...) (26 years ago, 26-May-99, to lugnet.starwars)

Re: Ep1 peeves (includes spoilers) —Terry Keller

(...) Perhaps they are one-time use items, and they _knew_ they would need them later on Naboo.... :-) -- Terry K -- (26 years ago, 27-May-99, to lugnet.starwars)

Re: Ep1 peeves (includes spoilers) —Steve Bliss

(...) Or, you have to roll at least a 15 on your 20-sided chance cube to activate them under stress. And they didn't have time to concentrate to cheat the roll. Steve (26 years ago, 27-May-99, to lugnet.starwars)

Re: Ep1 peeves (includes spoilers) —Todd Lehman

(...) Oh. I just figured it out. The breathing-device thingies must extract oxygen etc. from water on-the-fly (maybe that's how they can be so small) and they couldn't do that from the gas. --Todd (26 years ago, 26-May-99, to lugnet.starwars)

Re: Ep1 peeves (includes spoilers) —Steve Bliss

(...) Besides, the Jedi deep-breathing body-control trick is so cool and mystic. As opposed to the mitochondria (whatever it was), which was just Star-Trek-particle-o...-week-ish. Steve (26 years ago, 26-May-99, to lugnet.starwars)

Re: Ep1 peeves (includes spoilers) —Eric Joslin

(...) Well, I dunno. I think they just didn't take Battle Droids too seriously. I mean, they did beat feet *awful* quick when they were faced with the Destroyer Droids- complete with Obi-Wan's exclaimation "Master! Daestoyers!" You can't say he (...) (26 years ago, 25-May-99, to lugnet.starwars)

Re: Ep1 peeves (includes spoilers) —Jorge Rodriguez

Most of my peeves have been covered except one. OWK should have said "I have a bad feeling about this" at a better time. It seems Lord Lucas wanted to get the line out of the way. My favorite scenes were the Sand people cheering after they started (...) (26 years ago, 26-May-99, to lugnet.starwars)

Re: Ep1 peeves (includes spoilers) —Steve Bliss

(...) And nobody said "it's our only hope". (...) I *hated* the bit with the sand people. It was *so* corny. The idea that the sand people would be considered a "road hazard" is fine, but the announcer's patter was awful. Was there any point to the (...) (26 years ago, 26-May-99, to lugnet.starwars)

Re: Ep1 peeves (includes spoilers) —Eric Kingsley

In lugnet.starwars, Steve Bliss writes: snip (...) Yes he did start the race. He bit the head off of one of his delicacies and spat is out at a gong which in turn got the race started. Eric (26 years ago, 26-May-99, to lugnet.starwars)

Re: Ep1 peeves (includes spoilers) —Richard Hrynyszyn

(...) As a matter of fact, Jabba fell asleep and had to be woken up after the race was over. Was that other hutt in those scenes supposed to be female? She kind of had breasts. Was it supposed to be Jabbas woman? ROTJ led me to believe that Jabba (...) (26 years ago, 26-May-99, to lugnet.starwars)

Re: Ep1 peeves (includes spoilers) —Steve Bliss

(...) I liked that bit, but it was underdone. (...) Didn't notice one. (...) And there was a blue-haired humaniod, standing to Jabba's left, wearing a uniform similar to Leia's get-up. BTW, wasn't Jabba smaller in EP4/Special Edition? Does he change (...) (26 years ago, 26-May-99, to lugnet.starwars)

Re: Ep1 peeves (includes spoilers) —Alan Shutko

(...) That would be my guess. I figure, with the clone wars coming up and all, the galaxy won't be as happy a place to live and he'll be screwed for a while (also explaining the weight loss). By Jedi, he'll have regained some power/wealth. (26 years ago, 26-May-99, to lugnet.starwars)

(canceled) —Eric Joslin

Re: Ep1 peeves (includes spoilers) —Eric Joslin

(...) I don't know if that's supposed to be Jabba's woman, but her name is Gardulla the Hutt. She owned Anakin and Shmi Skywalker before losing them to Watto. I'd be willing to bet they aren't romatically linked (ewww) but rather have some sort of (...) (26 years ago, 27-May-99, to lugnet.starwars)

Re: Ep1 peeves (includes spoilers) —Richard Dee

On Sun, 23 May 1999 19:41:56 GMT, Todd Lehman uttered the following profundities... (...) It was an anti-Japanese statement. Greedy Trade Federation=Greedy Japanese. (26 years ago, 28-May-99, to lugnet.starwars)

Re: Ep1 peeves (includes spoilers) —Karim Nassar

(...) Interestingly, at times, the Nemoidians sounded very Japanese, but at other times, their accents were not at all Japanese (listen to the way they say "blockade")... I don't really know what to think about this... it was distracting, but I (...) (26 years ago, 28-May-99, to lugnet.starwars)

Re: Ep1 peeves (includes spoilers) —Joey Feland

(...) times, their accents (...) really know what to (...) deliberately meant to (...) coincidence... (...) in GL... considering (...) devices of the entire SW (...) that he was greatly (...) the word: Jedi comes from (...) I kept wondering if the (...) (26 years ago, 29-May-99, to lugnet.starwars)