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Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
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Sat, 1 Mar 2003 06:40:20 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Mike Petrucelli writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes:
> > > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Mike Petrucelli writes:
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> > > > The violent crime rate doubled* in Canada and tripled* in the UK after the • gun
> > > > control laws went into effect.
> > >
> > > Can you give an independent citation for that statistic? And some kind of
> > > causitive confirmation that the crime rate increased *because* gun control
> > > was initiated? Otherwise, the argument must be abandoned as a post hoc
> > > interpretation. That doesn't mean that your overall point is invalid, but
> > > this particular pillar doesn't effectively support it.
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> > > Dave!
> > Written August 11, 1998
> > http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/europe/9808/11/britain.gun.control/index.html
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> > Written January 6, 2003
> > http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/europe/01/06/uk.guns/index.html
> >
> > Of course the actual statistics no longer appear to be available. Go figure.
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> Hey, thanks for the links. Unfortunately, the problem still remains that
> we cannot conclude that crime has risen *because* guns were banned,
> especially since the guns in the Dunblane incident were legally owned.
True, but both articles site that illegally owned firearms were/are responsible
for the vast majority of crime. The first article states that tighter gun
control will not have any positive impact (but probably have a negative one) on
the crime rate because of that. The second confirms this. Also essentially
the same thing happened in Canada and Australia after enacting tougher gun
control. Several States in the US have had the same thing happen relative to
the rest of the country. The odds that there is no correlation is pretty slim
when several 'tests' have been conducted with all the same result.
-Mike Petrucelli
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| (...) You're stripping away the numbers for the sake of a punchline. According to the first article, the number of firearms-related murders in 1996 England/Wales was 49. Forty-nine! Pittsburgh alone had 47 murders in 1996, and we don't have a gun (...) (21 years ago, 3-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Hey, thanks for the links. Unfortunately, the problem still remains that we cannot conclude that crime has risen *because* guns were banned, especially since the guns in the Dunblane incident were legally owned. Unless you propose arming (...) (21 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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